Why aren't we getting voting rights? Why are the Dems caving on democracy?
Joe Manchin can kill it. Does that seem like what we voted for?
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Ironhand · 51-55, M
Because we don't live in a democracy. We live in a Constitutional Republic, where minority rights are protected. In a pure democracy if a majority wants to take your shit, they can take your shit. In a Constitutional Republic, even if the majority votes to take your shit, they can't because you have protections under the law. I'd also like to remind folks that politics is cyclical and there will be a Republican Majority in the House and Senate again maybe in 2022, it would be wise for those on the other side of the aisle to keep the filibuster in place, so they have a voice and a vote.
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul For as far as I'm aware, the "inalieable" right clause also only excists in the declaration of independence. Which has no legal basis in any court. This "inalieable rights" or natural rights idea, are just ideals to strive for. People that adopt them use them as premisses to build up their worldview, it's just a part of the enlightenment and liberalism in particulair. These 3 ideas: "life", "liberty" and "pursuit of happiness" (or the pursuit of property) are also abstracts. That's why there are so many diffrent interpretations of liberal thought. the inn fighting in liberal ideologies is mostly about how these ideas are defined and should be strived for.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Ironhand [quote] Because under own system, voting laws are the domain of the States and not the Federal government.[/quote]
That, btw - has very little to do with the country being a constitutional representative democracy, etc - it is an example of US being set up as a [i]federation[/i]. We could have had a unitary state - it would have still been a constitutional republic - and a democracy.
I don’t understand why these things have to be so confusing, but clearly lots of people are very confused.
That, btw - has very little to do with the country being a constitutional representative democracy, etc - it is an example of US being set up as a [i]federation[/i]. We could have had a unitary state - it would have still been a constitutional republic - and a democracy.
I don’t understand why these things have to be so confusing, but clearly lots of people are very confused.
OggggO · 36-40, M
@QuixoticSoul He and Sunsport both seem to have the same misunderstanding that "constitutional republic" means "a government set up exactly how the American right wing wants" instead of "a republic in which the government is defined by a constitution".
Whoops, I didn't see this one when I answered the last one on single payer.
Regardless, the bottom line is that 74 million people pretty much voted against Democracy, as well as humanity, and it was close enough that many of our elected leaders are not willing to call them sociopaths.
Regardless, the bottom line is that 74 million people pretty much voted against Democracy, as well as humanity, and it was close enough that many of our elected leaders are not willing to call them sociopaths.
@TexChik Your disagreement is noted, and you might even have a point if we talk about the difference between Republics and Democracies.
But, you really ought to disagree with me more strongly when I talked about voting against humanity, IMO.
Just out of curiosity, how do you figure Dominion counted for 50 million votes?
Seems like there have to have been more conspirators then just Dominion to make that work.
But, you really ought to disagree with me more strongly when I talked about voting against humanity, IMO.
Just out of curiosity, how do you figure Dominion counted for 50 million votes?
Seems like there have to have been more conspirators then just Dominion to make that work.
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gregloa · 61-69, M
The dems don’t want voting rights. They want illegal voting because they know they can’t win otherwise. Open borders for illegal votes. If they could pull that off they couldn’t lose. Why have an ID to buy alcohol??? Or guns?? Oh let’s legalize drugs! That’s real smart. Hahaha. No ID no vote. Keeps it legal. Duh! That’s democracy! We the people, not they the dems. 6 trillion haha. Trying to hide behind so called infrastructure. What a big fat lie. The dems have cried wolf too many times for infrastructure. And EVERYONE knows it!!!!
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@gregloa If it's really that why you want, then why not just give every citizen an ID. Over here, you just get a letter and you can go pick it up. And you have to have it with you at all times. Subsidised by the governement, because it's the governement that asks this from you, and it's the only way to excercise your legal right to vote once you reach voting age.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
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eli1601 · 70-79, M
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justbob · 61-69, M
We already have voting rights. What we are not getting is a situation that makes it easier for illegal immigrants and dead people and pets to vote and for college students to vote twice: ascentee in their home state and again in the district their school is in)
Stopmakingsense · 56-60, F
@justbob the number of cases? Really that's enough to make voting harder for actual legal voters?
