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For men who are pro life: what would you say to being told that you don't have a right over your own body? Because that's what you're telling women.

At the end of the day the issue is SO simple:

Whether or not you consider a fetus a person, it has o right to a woman's body.
If it's not a sentient being, much less a person then of course no argument will be made.
But even if you DO consider it a person then it has only the rights of any other person and NO person has a right to make use of another person's body against their will.
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JesseInTX · 51-55, M
Yes it’s her body, but it’s THEIR child. It took a man and a woman to create the child.
@JesseInTX

Yes it did.
So do you think a man should then have the right to force a woman against her will to have her body used to gestate a fetus?

If two people are involved in a car accident and one requires a kidney, do they have a right to force the other person to give up one of their kidneys?
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
@Pikachu I think they should both be responsible before they have sex to make sure a child isn’t conceived unless they want a child. And if you’re not going to be responsible then you have to live with the consequences. I definitely think the man has a say in what happens to his child.
@JesseInTX

Sometimes the consequences are that you have an abortion.

If two people are involved in a car accident and one requires a kidney, do they have a right to force the other person to give up one of their kidneys?
@JesseInTX What if a woman wants a child but doesn't have a partner? Should she be able to force the man of her choice to impregnate her and pay child support for 18 years? I mean, if her wishes don't matter, why should his?
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
@Pikachu @LeopoldBloom
You are both imbeciles making idiotic arguments. Two people in a car accident with one being forced to give up a kidney? Nobody intentionally has a car accident. Not smart people anyway. And you can live with one kidney. A woman wanting a baby and being able to force the man of her dreams to give her one? I’m talking about 2 people who consented to sex and were irresponsible in taking precautions.

I actually feel dumber for interacting with you two on this.
@JesseInTX So your position is that since the woman consented to sex, she implicitly consented to giving birth, and if she changes her mind later (or if her contraception fails), tough shit.

I consider that viewpoint morally depraved. That views children not as humans, but as instruments of discipline inflicted on women to teach them to not be so slutty.
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom no that’s not my position at all. My position is consenting adults know what the consequence of unprotected sex is. If a man and a woman have sex and a child is conceived the child belongs to each of them and they each have a say regarding the child. They need to have discussions regarding the child and how to handle the situation. I never said anything about punishing a woman, I never said she was being slutty. There are many avenues of birth control out there. They need to use them or deal with potential outcome.
@JesseInTX Like many anti-abortion men, you act like pregnancy is no more inconvenient than a haircut. The woman bears the brunt of the pregnancy, so she should have more say in the outcome, until it's outside of her body and both parents have equal say.

If a man can force a woman to bear his child against her will, then a woman should be able to force a man to impregnate her against his will.
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom where in my comments did you read I was anti abortion? Where did I say the man has more say or even equal say. I said he has a say because they both contributed. I said it needs to be discussed. At this point I am done interacting with you on this post or any other. You have proved once again that reasonable discussion is next to impossible with a radical liberal such as yourself.
@JesseInTX "Pro-choice" means [b]the woman[/b] decides if she wants to give birth, without having to consult anyone else. Of course, it would be nice if she took the father's wishes into account, but that shouldn't be a requirement, as it would take agency away from her.

Either you think women should be allowed to freely decide if they want to give birth, or you support restrictions. If you prefer not to call yourself "anti-abortion" because you support abortion rights under certain circumstances, I suppose that's fine. I just happen to disagree with [b]any[/b] restrictions, other than requiring doctors who perform abortions to be medically licensed.