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Nope, still not a racist.

So Trump says everyone has the right to fly the Confederate flag under the First Amendment Clause of free speech. Except it's been ruled to be hate speech by local governments. Except he's the president who wants to ban the media and get rid of anyone who criticizes or disagrees with him. Except he's the guy who won't share any of his past on paper.

And why is the president of the United States in the year 2020 defending the right to fly the Confederate flag anyway?
cycleman · 61-69, M
His bigotry has himself very very inflated
Because Trump [b]is[/b] in fact a racist. And the fact that he is defending a symbol that is our country’s equivalent of the [b]swastika[/b], flown by hate groups and white supremacists, should make things crystal clear to [b]anyone[/b] who’s not a white supremacist him or herself. The hood is finally off.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@bijouxbroussard It is utterly unacceptable. Just like the statues he's so worried about preserving, no aspect of any good he may have done will match the chaos and destruction he has wrought. He, too, has to go.
Trump may in fact be a racist, but I'll damned if i think that's not a symptom of much deeper and more disturbing issues with having him as President.

This is a guy who really seems to me to have no respect for anyone but himself or even the basic principles that allow human beings to associate with each other.

I know people with racist beliefs and inclinations who are not maleovolent or even dangerous, but Trump is not in their league. His veil seems to be totally opaque and the fact that certain colors don't show up seems to be almost a red herring.
@MistyCee If they have racist beliefs, that’s malevolent. It’s just not malevolence directed at [b]you[/b]. 😒
Piper · 61-69, F
@bijouxbroussard That is something I've felt also, even though those racist views have rarely been directed [i]at[/i] [b]me[/b]. I know and have known people, who espouse undeniably racist views. Those people say that because they wouldn't actually "hurt" anyone, that their holding forth on those views isn't really "harming" anyone.

I do and have and always have disagreed with those people, that those views they speak about and hold forth on...are in any way [i]harmless[/i].
@bijouxbroussard I typed a rather lengthy reply to you on this with examples and an attempt at explaining why I thought it was more than just language, but it seems to have vanished.

I hear what you're saying about my perspective/privilege, and I'm not trying to discount it.

But I tend to think of maleovolence as involving malicious intent, which I don't think necessarily includes all those who might judge or even "discriminate" based on race.

I'm not saying that those people aren't dangerous or misguided, but maleovolence seems to me to be something distinct from racism, even if there's a lot of overlap.

I'm not saying that racism isn't "harmless" 99.99% of the time, and I think it usually is.

But I think the maleovolence, in the sense of people who actually intend to cause harm to people or act to cause harm, is something different and even more objectionable than some old man in a rocking chair who didnt think much about what his parents taught him or even what he repeated to his grandchildren.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
Because more than anything, Trump wants to be the second President of the Confederacy.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@windinhishair You may be closer to the mark then we'd even like to believe.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Graylight When I first said that a couple of weeks ago, it was tongue-in-cheek. Now, seeing him willfully further divide the nation in a culture war, it isn't that far-fetched.
Peapod · 61-69, F
@windinhishair @Graylight, I think you both are right about this. He really is anti Union in so many ways.
SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
Remind you of anybody?

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@SevIsPamprinYouAlways [b]Brilliant[/b]. 👍🏽
Graylight · 51-55, F
@bijouxbroussard I 2nd that. Just shared it.
Piper · 61-69, F
Far as I know, people still do have the right to to fly or display the Confederate flag, on their own property. If the private property they display it on is any way vandalized, I'm not [i]okay[/i] with that. However one feels about that flag, that IS criminal behavior.

People having an issue with the Confederate flag flying on government property, or it being displayed at public events? Whole different thing. Trump isn't real capable, it seems, of perceiving those kinds of differences.
Piper · 61-69, F
@Graylight Where the line is drawn is, I think, a rather [i]thorny[/i] question.

While I agree that the Confederate flag often [i]is[/i] used as a symbol of "hate", I believe it pales in comparison to the glaringly clear "hate" behind your two other examples.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Piper I would agree, but as a woman who has been discriminated against, I can tell you that the degree of hate plays little into the situation.
Piper · 61-69, F
Okay, @Graylight. As a woman who has rarely been discriminated against just [i]because[/i] of the shade of my skin, I do know that I am not "insensitive", to the reasons why many people find the displaying of the Confederate flag to be troubling and offensive.
SmartKat · 56-60, F
He’s playing to his base - and I’d say he has the douchebag vote locked up.

It’s depressing to think how many Americans must be douchebags. I promise we’re not all like the Trump supporters.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SmartKat Trump supporters were a minority when he was elected, and have been a minority every single day of his failed presidency. And he's losing more people now. The majority of Americans are much more reasonable.
@windinhishair Gawd, I hope that translates into booting him out of the White House in November.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@bijouxbroussard Trump will cheat in every way possible--voter suppression on a massive scale, foreign involvement from Russia, China, and perhaps others in our election, and possibly even lawsuits disputing the results. Everyone needs to vote in November.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
He is Racist unless the person has billions of dollars, then he tries to con them.

 
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