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Will a time come again for 'radical' left candidates?

Both Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders have suffered major defeats in their respective countries and neither will end up leading them.

Perhaps what is most remarkable though is that either got as far as they did, given 'conventional' political wisdom. Did an angry old man who calls himself a socialist really (twice) finish a strong second in his party's primary process... in America of all places? Did a second level player from Labour's 80s Bennite days really lead the post-Blair party and get close to actually forming a government in 2017? Both of these things did happen and I think they might just be a sign of things to come.

While both these men have failed to win enough electoral support to take power, they have at least succeeded in changing the conversation. Nationalisations, more public spending and free education are now mainstream issues in British politics. I believe its the same in America with Single-Payer healthcare. This is after years of being told by very sensible people that these ideas were radical left issues from the distant past so why dont we talk about something serious?

Where Corbynism failed is that it lacked any kind of insititutional support. After years of being marginalised, the left had few voices in the media or within politics which were not openly hostile. As part of the process, a new left media has emerged online and several left mps have been elected but this is only strength at the fringes and it was built from a low base. By that, i mean its all been built from nothing because people assumed the country had no political left at all.

The Labour Party has now elected Keir Starmer as a leader and moved back closer to the political centre, though that political centre is now arguably a bit further to the left as a legacy of Corbynism. I'll stay in the party and campaign for Keir because he is decent, without giving me close to everything i want.

I think the greater success of the Corbyn legacy could be years in the future though. Young people have moved to the left in unprecedented numbers anyway and in time could form a plurality of the electorate. In the mean time, the left needs to build its institutional strength: in unions, the media, in communities and in the party proper.

The current capitalist order is in crisis and was in crisis long before the virus hit. Centrists dont have solutions so unless ideas come from the left, the longterm victors will be the nationalist right. I dont wanna live in Oban's Hungary or on Ayn Rand island but these things are possible as the right tries to shape solutions to crisis with their own narrative.

There will be difficult times ahead. We lost the battle but, just perhaps, our time will come again.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Bernie is clearly riding a wave of class anger, and it's not going to magically go away. People are connecting the dots and figuring out that the economy doesn't work for most folks, even in times of plenty.

When it takes a historic economic expansion with full employment to get the wages to just sort of stop stagnating... something is wrong.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
Yes always as you have to have ALL sides to make a good descission and to have the best chance of democracy.

As for JC he has an uphill battle becuase of the bias of the BBC and 90% of the newspapers being tory party donators.

The policies JC had were very good and for the people but sadly far too many people n the UK have dumbed down and went for cheap slogans which the tories played on rather than use facts.

With Labour ne leader its very important to stay part of the party to make it stronger from within and get better dieas through from within the party, that is one good thing Labour is very good at doing.

With Bernie I don"t have good enough knowledge to comment sorry hun

UK Capatilisum hasn't worked, eveyrhting has been sold of cheaply to thier mates and they tories didn't put any protections in for the people.

Like now the MPs get just under £80,000. If your aprt of the Cabinet you get an extra £80,000 on top of that, plus 2 homes, expences for traveling, food, drink, restarant and bars subsidised. Now they have given themselevs and extra £10,000 to deal with the extra work for covid19 but they can't find the money for Nurses, Doctors, Teachers, Police, Priosn gaurds, Home help, Social care, coffe mornings, etc etc.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@milkymum1 From the party left, i think that labour does need to work together. Socialists like me need to work with at social democrat moderates etc. Having said that, i dont think the Blairite tendency which still exists on the party right has anythning positive left to contribute.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Burnley123 Well all I can say if idotts like Mogg, Davis, Gove, IDS, Fox, Gayling, Francoise, Jenkyens, to name a few. Then ALL sides of the Labour party can pull togther.

I mean just in that small list thiers some quiet usless people in it.
smiler2012 · 56-60
burnley123 much as i have sympathy in what you say and i am a bit of an old socialist myself deep down the day of left wing politics in this country are numbered much as it grieves to say so politics in this country has been re directed towards the centre right to much hence tony blairs thinking in the modernising of the labour party thinking to power as his with the help of tory suicide pact of course i blame thatcher for this swinging this country this way to the right all the tories do is use it to beat the left with it there past helped by the tory gutter press of course
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@smiler2012 Very well put, my dad has often said Thatcher ruined the UK and the Tories certinaly haven't changed the rcord; same polcies, same distruction, same selling off, same evil ways just different faces.

I'd like to think for the Labour party there's a place for all sides to debate as a party can ONLY be strong with all ideas form ALL sides.

Just look at the tories one man party, are run by the ERG, sensible tories pushed to oen side or forced out and no clear policies or ideas just made up as they go.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
When people get tired of being masochistic and self-sabotaging we will. It will eventually happen because of climate change denialism and many other issues that are not being addressed. Those problems can't go on forever without finding a solution. Eventually, people will have to realize that they need to elect change or just die, they'll have no choice.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Two potential leaders 'too radical for their time' maybe.
But there are certainly plenty of [i]worse[/i] candidates and ideas out there.
milkymum1 · 31-35, F
@Picklebobble2 JC had some very good ideas but had no chance with the bias BBC and 90% of newspapers against him. Also sadly far too many people in the UK have dumbed down and go for cheap slogans rathert han facts or looking into what they've been told is true or not.
SW-User
So long as we have breath in our lungs there is still a chance to keep moving forward no?
I see more radical and even revolutionary left politics making a comeback. If you have people in crisis and basically make it impossible for people to vote their way out you create the perfect environment for revolutionary politics.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I seems absent on an electoral level in Canada though, maybe because your country largely escaped the last crash and never completely abandoned social democracy.

The NDP didnt do that well, in spite if strong debate performances by the leader. I dont know about things other than that.
ninjavu · 51-55, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I completely agree. It is impossible to vote our way out of the quagmire here.

@Burnley123 I think you're right to a certain extent about Canada -- treading the safe, middle road -- but there is definitely discontent here too on multiple levels, some of it old and some of it relatively new, and we're too close to the Disunited States to escape its effects. Part of the discontent (speaking of the electoral level) surrounds the fact that, despite the fact that we have 50% more viable parties here on the national level than our southern neighbour, the same two parties take turns running their four-year dictatorships. The current prime minister read the country's mood on that topic and lied to us to get elected in 2015 (besides stealing half of the NDP's policies), then made a sham review and drew a foregone conclusion that he couldn't do it. We'll get electoral reform here one day, but I might not live to see it unless this pandemic really shakes the public up politically.

A luta continua.
@Burnley123 ninjavu is correct. A 3 way split on the right and Trudeau engaging in virtue signaling and buzzwords and promising both UBI and electoral reform got him elected along with a a concerted campaign in the Canadian media both right and liberal to smear Jaghmeet Singh with headlines from both right wing and traditionally "liberal" outlets publishing Op Eds with titles like "Is Canada ready for a PM that wears a turban" and playing up xenophobia which is largely what hurt the NDP more then anything. Jack Layton a white guy made landslide gains for the NDP with a nearly identical platform years previously.

As for social democracy you won't really see the decay from the outside much because things like healthcare are the jurisdiction of the provinces and the Feds really only are involved in additional funding. It would be like if the UK put the counties in charge of the NHS and merely gave them a boost to their budget every few years. Sadly conservatives at the provincial level love using healthcare cuts to balance budgets and give tax cuts. Frankly here in Manitoba probably the only reason why we are handling the pandemic as well as we are is because people are taking the social distancing seriously and the Tories haven't had a chance to finish taking a chainsaw to our healthcare system yet having only been in power since October.
ninjavu · 51-55, M
Wow, how did this political post slip under the radar of all those who just want to call each other names?! ☺️👍️
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@ninjavu Thanks. I use this site as a political blog to engage with big ideas lol. Your are right about the site being mostly name calling and trolling.
I would also add Canada to your example.
curiosi · 61-69, F
Back in 1972 McGovern was pretty radical and lost all states except Massachusetts. The dem party couldn't get a grasp again until Bill Clinton. It will be interesting to see if history repeats itself.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@curiosi Though Carter did win for the Democrats four years later, i believe.

Something similar happened with Labour in the early 80s. In both our countries, the political right won and changed politics by arguing for free markets and trickle down economics. Not even the right really argues for these things anymore, which i find intetesting.

The right has become more nationalistic but i think that is down to the fact that the economic order (which they largely created) isnt delivering like it once did. Trump is VERY different to Reagan.

 
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