The US should rejoin the Iran nuclear agreement, which every country other than the US, including our former allies, agreed was working. This war provoking on the part of the US is shameful.
@sunsporter1649 Just for the record: In regards to the post, you made ABSOLUTELY no valid points. Beating your chest and raging like aged neanderthal doesn't make you appear A. intelligent or B. mature.
You well know that trump and co started this. Pulling out of the agreement solely because it was something obama was part of. I think trump is being manipulated by his war chiefs. Bolton lives for this. Hopefully re election is more important to him than looking "strong". What *should* he do? Relax the sanctions and re enter the deal he so ignorantly left. None of us know who did what to those tankers. And none of us know where that drone was. Personally, i think we are all being lied to. We have no ally support for military retaliation. If we strike, we go alone. And for what? To take control of their oil? Spoils of war? Trump said during his campaign that is what we should have done in iraq. He's an idiot...bottom line.
@Budwick no downside either. Tensions were muted until trump backed out. And the sanctions are strangling them. How is that going to calm things? You would wiggle too if you were being left in the basement.
@Budwick 'Iran did not allow verification.' - Do you just make this stuff up or what ?
"Inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the global nuclear watchdog, continuously monitor Iran's declared nuclear sites and also verify that no fissile material is moved covertly to a secret location to build a bomb. Iran also agreed to implement the Additional Protocol to their IAEA Safeguards Agreement, which allows inspectors to access any site anywhere in the country they deem suspicious." - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33521655
Furthermore , and even after Trump reneged on the agreement , the Iranians are still being monitored and , upto now , have been judged to be in full compliance.
@dinonuggies The Strait of Hormuz is a strait between the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. It provides the only sea passage from the Persian Gulf to the open ocean and is one of the world's most strategically important choke points.
Two tankers were bombed there recently. It's in the everyone's interest, including our own to patrol that area.
@CountScrofula Oh so flying a drone in international air space is provoking. Is it still provoking when Russia does it, and if so why didn't you complain that we didn't retaliate to their provocation? And if it isn't a provocation why one set of rules for us and another for someone else? Or is this another one of those left wing idiot double standards you people hate being exposed doing.
Let me ask you.. Your intellectually disabled big brother runs into the local Biker club and starts kicking over the bikes out the front , yelling that YOU are going to kick the asses of every guy in the club and screw their women afterwards.. Now what do YOU do? Because thats where he is leading America.
@sunsporter1649 Oh for crying out loud. Talk to someone from your own navy who knows about your own nuclear powered ships. Dont be ignorant all your life.
@whowasthatmaskedman LOL, I have inside information on our ships, specifically carriers and carrier groups. Pretty neat boats, good thing we have them, and more on the way.
The left will justify it. They can't accept that Iran is upset because their lackey Obama is out of office and Trump wont play games with them. I don't know what we should do it's too early to tell.
Well we saw what happened. Ordered a military strike,then got cold feet. If you look at the trajectory of tensions around the middle east it is fairly clear Iran has been on it's toes since well before the Iraq war. An independent country in their position has been doing what any independent country would be doing, preparing for a strategic defense in the likely scenario of being invaded. Drones shot down by Iran is nothing new. US flying drones dangerously close to international boundaries is nothing new. Sailing ships along the lines of international and national waters is nothing new. The US provokes other countries almost for sport. The drone is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, it is merely a statement to stay the fuck back, just like a rattlesnake shaking it's tail. The tanker attack could have been Iran, it could have been a false flag, it could have been carried out by almost anyone in the region or with ties to just about any antagonizing side. Iran is unlikely to be behind this as Trump has been very vocal and shown the world over and over that he isn't stable or of sound mind when it comes to geopolitics. He constantly overreacts to any and all events that make him feel weak or uncomfortable. He has not background in military conflict, no background in political foreign affairs and does not listen to anyone who disagrees with him. Iran does not have a position to start a war without outside support. America on the other hand acts unilaterally all the time. I only have one prediction and that comes with an "if." If Iran is attacked and collapses, terrorism and terror groups will multiply once again giving more support and land base to the proliferation of an already strong network between existing groups.
Trump did acknowledge that it could have been a "mistake", an act by a loose canon(no pun intended) and possibly not an intentional act.@RodionRomanovitch https://abcnews.go.com/International/iran-shoots-american-drone-international-airspace-us-official/story?id=63825990
First send Lurch Kerry over there to work another sweet deal, Then to seal the deal, Send them two more pallets of cash like Barack did! Ya, that will fix it 😉
'What do YOU think USA should do?' - Well presumably they had this all gamed out long ago , so now we should just sit back and watch the genius of Trump's foreign policy in action. How 'bout that ?
@sunsporter1649 You're a one trick pony mate. If you've got nothing to add to this thread , besides repeating that nonsense , then why don't you do us all (and yourself) a favour and just butt out.
@RodionRomanovitch [quote]re-opening diplomatic channels to try and resolve this wholely manufactured crisis. Does that sound unreasonable to you ?[/quote]
@Budwick Look, if you have a nest of scorpions in one spot, you can dig, and spray, and do anything you want; they'll just keep coming back. UNLESS, you kill every living thing (and the eggs) on that spot. And everything burns.
@sunsporter1649 I haven't said a thing about impeachment. You keep bringing it up as some silly, meaningless saying. Typical of people with the emotional intelligence of a five-year old.
@SW-User 'did they shoot down a commercial plane with innocent civilians?'
No it was the good ol' US of A that did that back in '88 ;
"Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai, via Bandar Abbas, that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided missile cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was destroyed, and all 290 people on board, including 66 children, were killed.[1] The jet was hit while flying over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf." - wiki
'What do YOU think USA should do?' - maybe you should give President Shit For Brains a call Bud , cos he clearly doesn't have a fucking clue what to do.
@Budwick Potentially. I won't claim to know Iran's true intentions here. I'm just very wary of a "gulf of tonkin" style incident that the hawks will jump on.