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When was the last time it worked?

I watch people protest, some act inappropriately. However, when was the last time it worked? All of the anger and protesting against the latest judge nominee and he was still confirmed. The same thing happened before, same results. Am I the only one asking this question.
Graylight · 51-55, F
Protests throughout history have created transformational change. Women’s suffrage and civil rights in the U.S., Indian independence, the color revolutions in Eastern Europe, and the Arab Spring all depended on the traditionally powerless coming together against the powerful. The tea party started as a protest against the bailouts and other relief measures designed to rescue the country from the Great Recession. The 1963 March on Washington featuring the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have A Dream" speech. The protests regarding the Vietnam war didn't end it but did showcase the growing dissatisfaction with policy.

It's not so much whether protests are effective or not - indeed, a recent Harvard study indicated they are - it's how the protests are planned and carried out that seem to be the best indicators of success. It's best to think of protests as affecting trends in thinking n policy rather than flashpoints of change.
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@Graylight You stated some very valid points. I do agree how it is done is very important. Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post I wish you the best and have a great day.
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
Seems like the tactics of college kids have been embraced by mainstream political activists, can't get your way at the ballot box or with representative government? Scream and act like lunatics untill you get your way. It's a bad way to get most people to take you seriously.
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@FreeSpirit1 Yes I agree I also feel like they do not understand that after they have lost their protest, they have also burned a bridge. It is very hard to help someone who vehemently protested against you. Thanks for your post have a great day.
Let's see what happens in November. The protests may well backfire, or they may succeed then, but Kavanaugh was always going to get confirmed.
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@MistyCee Thank you for your reply I think that is my point. If it is not working and it is making it harder for people to get along it is damaging relationships why continue to do it.
@Capt11 Well, one reason is that protests, over time, can change public opinion. People tune in and see what the fuss is all about, and some of them may decide the protesters have a point.

There is a downside, of course, and that's what worries me personally. Trump's rants about angry liberal mobs are the flip side of things.

Personally, I think most of the protesters here seem pretty misguided, but I think its a good thing that people who feel like their voices aren't being heard are free to try and make noise about it.

As for relationships, that's part of the problem. Many protesters, and a lot of Americans don't feel much of a relationship with this administration to begin with. Things are pretty bad right now, and reaching out across the aisle or stepping out of line is politically toxic. See what's happening with Murkowski and the Alaska Republicans, for example.
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@MistyCee Your post has some very valid points it was very well crafted. I see what you are saying and it makes me a little bit uncomfortable, to see the misguided protest. I appreciate your perspective have a great day.
Northwest · M
Not only do protests work, but throughout history, they have been the single most effective tool to affect social/political change.

Are you familiar with the term "the pitchforks are coming?"
How about "let them eat cake"
The protests that overturned monarchies all over the world, across centuries?
The Vietnam War?
The Arab Spring?
The downfall of the Ottoman Empire?
The catholic clergy scandals? (not all protests must be in person)
The Civil Right Movement? MLK? Marches in the South?

[quote]they have also burned a bridge[/quote]

This is news to me. Where did this happen?

[quote]It is very hard for me to see some of the disrespect and disruptive behavior and truly think our nation is full of "great people" worth loosing my life for. I served my country and it is sad to me to think all of the damage my body took for others to be so rude and disrespectful. Thank you for your time I appreciate your response.[/quote]

Why do you think protesters are being rude and disrespectful?
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@Northwest You bring up some very good points and I appreciate it. I want to be clear my question was when was the last time it worked. I am aware that protest have worked in the past. I wish to explain my earlier post.

I am focusing more on the recent events more specifically the Supreme Court hearings. I witnessed a mob of people protesting the nomination 47 minutes after it was made. Streets were blocked and people who were perfectly accepting of a judge, soon took to a Senate hearing stood up and interrupted proceedings. That is disrespectful to me. Watching people attack a well accomplished judge in that way yes I feel is wrong. Certain places are sacred, a church, court room, and several other places. There is a certain reverence and behavior expected in those places when it is ignored what do you call it?

The last 2 nominees were protested, they both were confirmed. Each protest was worse than the previous one. As a human I feel that life and the sacrifice of it is reserved for people of high moral character and virtue. Not people who send death threats to a judges family. Or people who will not respect order. My point is simply this, there is a way to do everything properly when that is ignored I have a huge problem.

I understand we may not see this the same way. I respect your point of view. I appreciate that you were able to hold a civil conversation about something that people feel so strongly about. Thank you and I hope you have a great day.
Northwest · M
@Capt11

I am not really sure what you're trying to say here, but I am going to guess that by this:

[quote]As a human I feel that life and the sacrifice of it is reserved for people of high moral character and virtue. Not people who send death threats to a judges family. Or people who will not respect order[/quote]

You mean that when you served, you accepted putting yourself in danger, only for certain people. Noted.
Capt11 · 46-50, M
Sir, if that is what you gathered from my reply,we have nothing more to talk about. We just don't agree, and that is ok. I wish you well, have a good day.
4meAndyou · F
Quite a few of the protesters are paid, and they are coached to create news-worthy moments of hysteria, in the hopes that the public will be shocked and/or moved to sympathy for whatever cause (paid for by billionaires).

The goal is to affect the voters and make them write to their Congresspeople.

Through the violence of the emotion people see on the news, the publics' brains are supposed to be unhinged and they are supposed to join in, and we see that the result is usually ineffective with those who are actually using logic and their own intelligence instead of emotion to form their personal politics.

Only those who already agree will be affected deeply by these protests, and the rest of us will sit here wondering how MUCH the protesters are earning to humiliate themselves on television.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
They never learn, know how to disrupt, make noise, create chaos instead of directing their energy on fixing the problems.
katielass · F
@Capt11 Don't EVER think your sacrifice is not appreciated. Most of us appreciate what you and others have done enough to make up for their lack of understanding. You are loved. Without you we very likely would not be allowed to voice our thoughts on this site today.
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@katielass Thank you that was very kind of you. I was proud to represent my family my city and my country as a Marine. I am glad that I served I am also glad that you and others appreciate it, have a great day.
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@cherokeepatti I agree with what you said I think that is my point. You just put it very eloquently thank you have a good day.
It's ridiculous, isn't it? It makes me think that people want a reason to be angry, no matter what it is.
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@LonelyLoserThatDeservesDeath Your statement is very true I cannot understand why people would rather be angry. It is always amazed me the people who have the most are always the most unhappy. We live in a great country a country that people risk their lives to come to. Most of us eat well have reasonable housing and we do not fear random attack. But we are not happy sad when you think about it. I truly wish that instead of protesting we took the time to feed homeless people. If we built homes with the same tenacity that we protested no one would be homeless there would be shelters everywhere. No child would go to bed hungry. Instead death threats are sent to a judge's family. I do not consider that a proud moment in American history. I hope you have an outstanding day thank you for your comment.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
the sixties
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand you might be right, we as a country was different then. Have a good day.
eli1601 · 70-79, M
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@eli1601 thank you for taking the time to respond, I hope you have a great day.
katielass · F
No, you're not the only one. Many of us have been asking that question for years. It is about as fruitless as scratching your claws on the Supreme Court's doors. lol
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@katielass I hope that once the dust settles we can find some point of repair and unity. I also hope we as a people grow and learn from this and the next generation is better. Have a great day and thanks for your correspondence.
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
It actually don't change anything, just lets them know how you feel when you protest.
And most times it's foolish, lol
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@Virgo79 I can see why you feel that way. Thanks for sharing.
It worked during the Civil Rights movement. It worked to some extent during Vietnam, brought attention to Apartheid and marriage equality. Non violent protests are much preferable to terrorist acts.
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@bijouxbroussard yes, but back then people had basic respect for life and they kept sacred things in a sacred place. Now people show no respect and have no limits. Thank you for your response.
@Capt11 No, in fact. The people we were fighting had no respect for our lives whatsoever. The KKK lynched thousands of men, women and children during a large part of the early and mid-20th century as well as bombing private homes and in one instance bombed a church, killing 4 little girls. That people managed to protest non-violently in the face of actual violence and domestic terrorism is pretty remarkable.
Capt11 · 46-50, M
@bijouxbroussard I am aware of the history thank you. Perhaps I did not articulate my point properly. I have enjoyed our correspondence, have a great day.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
Seemed to work in Ukraine 😂

 
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