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I'm not sure about the young part, and throwing that in makes it sound like you've been watching Fox hosts for information, which imo, is not usually really helpful to understanding issues from both sides.
There are arguments on both sides, but the liberal or more democratic angle is that minorities and poor people who are more likely to vote for democrsts are more likely to not have state issued IDs, while conservatives and Republicans tend to focus on stopping voter fraud, which they claim is an old democratic strategy and Democrats say is statistically insignificant.
I'm inclined to see the problems with voter ID, and think that Trump's aborted commission to find millions of fraudulent Hillary voters says something on the issue, in addition to saying something about Trump.
But nobody can defend voter fraud, and the fight against requiring state issued IDs seems like a losing battle, even if it's for a good cause.
There are arguments on both sides, but the liberal or more democratic angle is that minorities and poor people who are more likely to vote for democrsts are more likely to not have state issued IDs, while conservatives and Republicans tend to focus on stopping voter fraud, which they claim is an old democratic strategy and Democrats say is statistically insignificant.
I'm inclined to see the problems with voter ID, and think that Trump's aborted commission to find millions of fraudulent Hillary voters says something on the issue, in addition to saying something about Trump.
But nobody can defend voter fraud, and the fight against requiring state issued IDs seems like a losing battle, even if it's for a good cause.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@angela2106 The term is used every single day, both in medical settings and by people who know synonyms and vocabulary.
The term [b]occult[/b] (from the Latin word occultus "clandestine, hidden, secret") is "knowledge of the hidden". The term is sometimes taken to mean knowledge that "is meant only for certain people" or that "must be kept hidden."
[i] Crabb, G. (1927). English synonyms explained, in alphabetical order, copious illustrations and examples drawn from the best writers. New York: Thomas Y. Crowell Co.[/i]
[b]Occult[/b]: Hidden. For example, occult blood in the stool is hidden from the eye but can be detected by chemical tests.
[i]https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4618[/i]
The term [b]occult[/b] (from the Latin word occultus "clandestine, hidden, secret") is "knowledge of the hidden". The term is sometimes taken to mean knowledge that "is meant only for certain people" or that "must be kept hidden."
[i] Crabb, G. (1927). English synonyms explained, in alphabetical order, copious illustrations and examples drawn from the best writers. New York: Thomas Y. Crowell Co.[/i]
[b]Occult[/b]: Hidden. For example, occult blood in the stool is hidden from the eye but can be detected by chemical tests.
[i]https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4618[/i]
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I think maybe you’ve been insulted lol? @Harley4Life
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
It’s generally the elderly and the minorities who are most affected by those policies, less so the youth. And behind the scenes in, say, Alabama, republicans are pretty clear that their aim is to reduce turnout among Black voters, not deter voter fraud (which is insignificant in the US).
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
What do you have to support that hypothesis? @QuixoticSoul
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson The last part? The presidents own commission is a place to start.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@jackjjackson As for the other stuff, well...
[quote]A state senator who had tried for over a decade to get the bill into law, told The Huntsville Times that a photo ID law would undermine Alabama’s “black power structure.” In The Montgomery Advertiser, he said that the absence of an ID law “benefits black elected leaders.”
The bill’s sponsors were even caught on tape devising a plan to depress the turnout of black voters — whom they called “aborigines” and “illiterates” who would ride “H.U.D.-financed buses” to the polls — in the 2010 midterm election by keeping a gambling referendum off the ballot. Gambling is popular among black voters in Alabama, so they thought if it had remained on the ballot, black voters would show up to vote in droves.[/quote]
It’s basically GOP’s number one strategy in Alabama. The voter ID angle is just another way to get at it. Voter fraud is not a problem in AL, but black people viting is.
[quote]A state senator who had tried for over a decade to get the bill into law, told The Huntsville Times that a photo ID law would undermine Alabama’s “black power structure.” In The Montgomery Advertiser, he said that the absence of an ID law “benefits black elected leaders.”
The bill’s sponsors were even caught on tape devising a plan to depress the turnout of black voters — whom they called “aborigines” and “illiterates” who would ride “H.U.D.-financed buses” to the polls — in the 2010 midterm election by keeping a gambling referendum off the ballot. Gambling is popular among black voters in Alabama, so they thought if it had remained on the ballot, black voters would show up to vote in droves.[/quote]
It’s basically GOP’s number one strategy in Alabama. The voter ID angle is just another way to get at it. Voter fraud is not a problem in AL, but black people viting is.
AbbeyRhode · F
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@AbbeyRhode 🙄🙄🙄
Reminder that nobody has been able to demonstrate any significant US voter fraud recently.
Reminder that nobody has been able to demonstrate any significant US voter fraud recently.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@cherokeepatti First, it might be good to demonstrate that significant problems exist with the current setup. Things are already fair and honest. Millions of illegal voters are just a fever-dream that never materialized.
katielass · F
@cherokeepatti yeah, they deny, deny and deny but it will never change the fact that millions of illegal aliens vote as to hundreds of thousands of felons. And the there is the dead vote. One thing we know for certain is that if the dumdums thought for one second that felons or illegal aliens voted repub we'd have voter ID laws in record time.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
windinhishair · 61-69, M
Several states have implemented voter ID at the same time they severely cut back the number of locations to obtain an ID. The intent is clear--to prevent voters who will have difficulty obtaining the ID from voting. These are people without vehicles, some of whom live in rural areas without public transportation.
Voter ID would be fine if it was easy to obtain for everyone. Currently, depending on the state, it isn't.
Voter ID would be fine if it was easy to obtain for everyone. Currently, depending on the state, it isn't.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Whaat states have done both of the things you say?@windinhishair
CopperCicada · M
@jackjjackson Well. Right now I have a passport and driver's license. I can vote.
In 3 years both expire. I have no idea how I can renew either as they now demand a birth certificate from a state agency. Mine was issued from a county in upstate NY. It's not clear that there is a record of my birth in Albany. Seems not.
So is it hard? I don't know. I've dropped a couple hundred bucks on this so far. I have the wits to track this down. If my IQ was 70 maybe not. If my income was 15K$ year maybe not.
In 3 years both expire. I have no idea how I can renew either as they now demand a birth certificate from a state agency. Mine was issued from a county in upstate NY. It's not clear that there is a record of my birth in Albany. Seems not.
So is it hard? I don't know. I've dropped a couple hundred bucks on this so far. I have the wits to track this down. If my IQ was 70 maybe not. If my income was 15K$ year maybe not.
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@CopperCicada So you’re okay with making it harder to vote?
You know what the chances are that your individual vote will be decisive in an election? Unless you’re voting in a local election in a podunk town, you’ve got a better chance of winning the lottery.
A lot of people already have to take off work, skip lunch, pay for transit to the polls, and you want to make it [i]harder[/i] for people to participate in our democracy?
Also, you know the most reliable voters are wealthy (so big money has even more influence in politics), white, and somewhat elderly (retired people who don’t have to work anymore have more time for politics), and those groups tend to skew conservative. Republicans are pushing this unnecessary photo ID crap because they know when turnout is low they have a better chance of winning, and if they put up enough hoops to jump through then a lot of people will just decide voting isn’t really worth it.
So why on Earth would you want to make it harder for people to vote?
You know what the chances are that your individual vote will be decisive in an election? Unless you’re voting in a local election in a podunk town, you’ve got a better chance of winning the lottery.
A lot of people already have to take off work, skip lunch, pay for transit to the polls, and you want to make it [i]harder[/i] for people to participate in our democracy?
Also, you know the most reliable voters are wealthy (so big money has even more influence in politics), white, and somewhat elderly (retired people who don’t have to work anymore have more time for politics), and those groups tend to skew conservative. Republicans are pushing this unnecessary photo ID crap because they know when turnout is low they have a better chance of winning, and if they put up enough hoops to jump through then a lot of people will just decide voting isn’t really worth it.
So why on Earth would you want to make it harder for people to vote?
CopperCicada · M
@JP1119 No actually.
I don't want to make it harder for people to vote. You know why?
Because I've had a hard time voting.
Being dropped from the voting roster. And being denied a ballot because of transposition of two letters on my ID versus on the roster. Same address. Picture. Signature. No matter.
Shit. In 2016 there were no more ballots and no more provisional ballots. My only recourse-- wait until an official showed up. No. I had a job and sick people to care for.
Struggles with ID's. Right now I have a driver's license and passport but in a few years I don't know how I'll get them renewed as my birth certificate isn't valid.
And no. I'm not into making it harder because I know of people who have had precincts closed. And didn't get any notice. Not sure if any notice was required. Might be an hour or more to the next one.
Personally I think it's the burden of the state to provide every biped hominid with an ID. No way to run a society if you don't know who the plebs are.
I think it's the burden of the state to resolve cases of people born without papers because they were born in the sticks or in a closed community.
No way to resolve criminal issues, social service issues, immigration issues without ID. It's in the state's interest to vet the residency status of people and provide them with documentation.
I think if you've been convicted of a felony you should get your civil rights back after completion of probation. Automatic.
But actually. Yea. People need an ID to vote. The politics isn't there but elsewhere.
I don't want to make it harder for people to vote. You know why?
Because I've had a hard time voting.
Being dropped from the voting roster. And being denied a ballot because of transposition of two letters on my ID versus on the roster. Same address. Picture. Signature. No matter.
Shit. In 2016 there were no more ballots and no more provisional ballots. My only recourse-- wait until an official showed up. No. I had a job and sick people to care for.
Struggles with ID's. Right now I have a driver's license and passport but in a few years I don't know how I'll get them renewed as my birth certificate isn't valid.
And no. I'm not into making it harder because I know of people who have had precincts closed. And didn't get any notice. Not sure if any notice was required. Might be an hour or more to the next one.
Personally I think it's the burden of the state to provide every biped hominid with an ID. No way to run a society if you don't know who the plebs are.
I think it's the burden of the state to resolve cases of people born without papers because they were born in the sticks or in a closed community.
No way to resolve criminal issues, social service issues, immigration issues without ID. It's in the state's interest to vet the residency status of people and provide them with documentation.
I think if you've been convicted of a felony you should get your civil rights back after completion of probation. Automatic.
But actually. Yea. People need an ID to vote. The politics isn't there but elsewhere.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@katielass “Heavily” huh? The Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity disagrees.
akindheart · 61-69, F
CopperCicada · M
CopperCicada · M
@Harley4Life When I was in my 20's, my apartment was robbed. I lost my driver's license, checks, passport, birth certificate, SS card-- all my records of everything. I couldn't even get at my own money. Getting a driver's license after that was one of the hardest things I had to do.
Harley4Life · M
@CopperCicada that's an extraordinary situation for something that is usually simple to obtain
CopperCicada · M
@Harley4Life Yea. It's an extraordinary situation.
But not a rare one.
And there are a lot of different permutations of it.
But not a rare one.
And there are a lot of different permutations of it.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
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