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The reality of Trade tariffs.

This is just one US company having to change it's practices, and they don't favour US workers. The full impact of these tariffs hasn't yet been realised, but this is just a taster. HD are an iconic maker in the US (I don't particularly have any affection for them but recognise where they are). I encourage you to read the entire article. and can someone please explain where, how and why allies of the US are a security risk?


[quote]
Harley-Davidson plans to shift some motorcycle production away from the US to avoid the "substantial" burden of European Union tariffs.

Last week, the EU imposed retaliatory tariffs on US goods, including bourbon, orange juice and motorcycles.

Wisconsin-based Harley-Davidson has assembly plants in Australia, Brazil, India and Thailand.

The company said it would raise investment in its international plants, but did not say which ones.

[b]"To address the substantial cost of this tariff burden long-term, Harley-Davidson will be implementing a plan to shift production of motorcycles for EU destinations from the US to its international facilities to avoid the tariff burden," the company said in an official filing to the US market regulator.[/b]

Harley-Davidson said it expected the ramp-up in production to take nine to 18 months.

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The firm's decision is one of the most visible consequences of the trade disputes triggered by US President Donald Trump's decision to levy tariffs on steel and aluminium.

[b]The tariffs, which Mr Trump says are necessary to maintain national security, have drawn retaliation from the EU, Canada, Mexico, India and others, while driving up the cost of metals for manufacturers in the US.[/b]

US companies that range from boat-builders to nail manufacturers have warned about the consequences of escalating trade tensions.

However, the tariffs have also spurred investment in US steel plants.

For example, British-owned GFG Alliance, has said it plans to invest $5bn over several years to reopen a shuttered steel plant in South Carolina. The firm says the move will put about 125 people back to work "immediately".

'Only sustainable option'
Harley-Davidson, which has been focused on expanding its overseas sales amid challenges in the US, said it remained committed to US manufacturing.

[b]It said the tariffs made shifting production "the only sustainable option to make its motorcycles accessible to customers in the EU and maintain a viable business in Europe".[/b]

[b]The company said the tariffs would add, on average, $2,200 (£1,660) to each bike exported to the EU from the US, as the import tax increases from 6% to 31%.[/b]

Harley, which sold nearly 40,000 motorcycles in Europe last year, said it planned to absorb those costs, which are expected to add $30m to $45m to its expenses this year.

Passing the costs onto customers "would have an immediate and lasting detrimental impact to its business in the region", the firm argued.

The majority of Harley's motorcycles are currently built in the US, where the firm employs about 2,100 people at manufacturing facilities.

[b]However, the firm had already announced plans to close a facility in Kansas City, Missouri - a decision workers said was due to the opening of a new facility in Thailand.[/b]

The company denied those claims, arguing the move was about boosting overseas sales.

'Headwind to hiring'
[b]Mr Trump had made raising manufacturing employment a goal, but economists warn that the escalating trade tensions are likely to be counter-productive.[/b]

In addition to the metals tariffs, the Trump administration has also said it will impose tariffs on $34bn of Chinese goods starting on 6 July as punishment for violations of intellectual property protections.

China is due to retaliate in kind.

Mr Trump has also threatened tariffs on foreign cars and auto parts, arguing that firms should make such products in the US.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44604280
HerKing · 61-69, M
I see manchild has predictably taken things personally against him that HD have taken a business/economic decision to try and keep their head above water by moving some production to Thailand. Because he neither understands business (apart from how to go bankrupt) or economics he can only see that his photo opportunity outside the WH was thrown to the four winds by HD, and it isn't fair bwahhh bwahhh..

Naturally he then goes onto make empty veiled threats of increasing HD's tax burden: (just so Trumper's know, he can't). And even if by some act of congress HD was singled out, they could justifiably sue the shit out of the treasury for such an obvious case of vindictive persecution. Oddly none of the Trumpers or GOP have commented on such an obvious attempt by Trump to go against the Constituion, but we're talking Trump here, and king Trump can do as he likes, he don't need no stinking Constitution. Why would he?
bowman81 · M
Where is the outrage over the pre-existing 6% tariff on American motorcycles, or the 10% tariff on automobiles in the EU. How about the 8100+ tariffs in Canada ranging up to 312%.

Where is the outrage over the EU imposing 73% tariff on Chinese steel?
(https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/07/european-union-import-duties-chinese-steel-port-talbot-tata)

Are you opposed to tariffs or to the US imposing tariffs?

For the record I think tariffs are an abomination, unless they are being used to shake others off of their tariff practices.
Spitbak · 56-60, M
😁👍Yes!@bowman81
HerKing · 61-69, M
[quote][b]The Mid-Continent Nail plant in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, laid off 60 of its 500 workers last week because of increased steel costs[/b]. The company blames the 25% tariff on imported steel. Orders for nails plunged 50% after the company raised its prices to deal with higher steel costs.

The company is in danger of shutting production by Labor Day unless the Commerce Department grants it an exclusion from paying the tariffs, company spokesman James Glassman told CNN's Poppy Harlow.

[b]Mid-Continent Nail is "on the brink of extinction," he said.[/b]

Glassman said the company might relocate to Mexico, where it could buy the steel without the tariffs — and then export the finished nails back to the United States without tariffs, which only apply to raw materials.

"It's obviously an option," said Glassman about moving to Mexico. "It absolutely is something this company does not want to do. It wants to save the jobs in Poplar Bluff, Missouri."

Glassman called President Donald Trump's trade policy misguided. He noted that the company had doubled its work force since 2013, and thrived despite increased competition from China.[/quote]
bowman81 · M
@HerKing Where were you in 2015 when the US Steel industry lost 12,000 jobs to cheap foreign government subsidized imported steel?

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/opinions/american-steel-industry-gibson-schmitt/index.html
HerKing · 61-69, M
@bowman81 [quote]Where were you in 2015 when the US Steel industry lost 12,000 jobs to cheap foreign government subsidized imported steel?
[/quote]

2015? I was still living in the UK then. We had our steel industry wiped out in 1980--85. But trade tariffs didn't bring it back.
[quote]can someone please explain where, how and why allies of the US are a security risk?
[/quote]

Sure, I can. "EU, Canada, Mexico, India and others" won't be our allies for long, and at this rate, we'll be most closely allied with totalitarian regimes, and, of course, Russia.

And, yeah, those guys are kind of are security risks.

Does it make sense? No, not really, but Trump's "policies" rarely do.
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
The "security risk" is that Putin will be displeased with Donald if he doesn't do it.
HerKing · 61-69, M
Who knew eh? 🙄



[quote]
All new cars sold in the United States will cost more — to build and probably to buy — if the Trump administration imposes an auto tariff.
That's because every car sold in America is at least partly imported.

The Commerce Department is considering tariffs on cars assembled at foreign plants and on foreign-made auto parts. Every car assembled in the United States contains a significant percentage of foreign parts, according to government data.

"There are no purely American vehicles," said Michelle Krebs, senior analyst at AutoTrader. "These are global automakers who use global sources for all types of parts."

[b]Automakers are already warning that tariffs would raise their costs, in some cases by thousands of dollars per car. General Motors said last week that it could be forced to cut jobs.[/b]

US regulators track how "domestic" every car is by measuring the percentage of each vehicle's parts and manufacturing that comes from either the United States or Canada.[/quote]
HerKing · 61-69, M
On the news about HD, Trump naturally has to tweet disparaging things about HD. No surprises there eh? But the HD owners who voted for Trump, what of their opinion? Is Trump hoping they'll not buy HD because they might be built in Thailand? Maybe they wont...and go out and but Hondas, Suzukis, Kawasakis, Yamahas, Moto Guzzi and Triumphs instead... 🙄
HerKing · 61-69, M
I see that Trump has trampled on HD this morning; He even said that HD owners aren't happy (Presumably he's spoken to them all?)...Someone should give Trump a lesson in economics. Damn what am I saying? He won;t listen anyway.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
@HerKing Harley was closing at us plant anyway so fuck them
HerKing · 61-69, M
@MarineBob [quote]Harley was closing at us plant anyway so fuck them[/quote]

Yeah. Praise dear leader.
bowman81 · M
May 2017 story about HD opening overseas factories...in the New York Times. Closing plants, cutting back staff and moving production was in the works long before the US tariffs. Then, they blamed it on "Global Trade Barriers". It seems the planning and building of the plant began well before Trump was even president. Somehow that doesn't seem fit the current "agenda."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/business/harley-davidson-thailand-factory-manufacturing.html
Spitbak · 56-60, M
🤔I believe everyone suffers from this! It's all bullshit!
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Good they been talking the past few years of closing 1 of 3 plants in the us
firefall · 61-69, M
cui bono ?
HerKing · 61-69, M
@firefall Hedge fund managers?
firefall · 61-69, M
@HerKing who benefits from fissioning the Trans-Atlantic alliance? of setting the USA against Europe, China, and Japan?
MethDozer · M
The tariffs seem to be ignoring and encouraging the real problem. Allowing companies to be international sending production over seas while still claiming to be an American company.
It is the same of allowing foreign companies own American production, or worse, how many foreign businesses own our infrastructure . That is the real problem.
That is really what we need to be wrangling in.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@MethDozer But the point is, HD didn't benefit from the action which was the reason it was brought in.
MethDozer · M
@HerKing And I got that point is inline with what I am saying. Maybe there is a miscommunication.
HerKing · 61-69, M
@MethDozer [quote]And I got that point is inline with what I am saying. Maybe there is a miscommunication.[/quote]


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