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MasterLee · 56-60, M
What if a nude Ebola male walks into a baker and expects you to bake a cake for his 5 rabid dachshunds which he had brought into the shop off leash as unregistered PTSD animals?
Can we finally grow a pair as a baker and say no without fear of retaliation?
Would Peta Sue you for being unfriendly to animals?
Would the US government come down on you for not recognizing the clinical value of unregistered PTSD service dachshunds?
Would the CDC close the shop to contain the virus while simultaneously sue for discrimination?
Would it be better if the man was gay and had an LGBT tattoo on his chest?
Should he scream loudly to only use the restroom?
Perhaps if he threw anthrax spores?
Maybe he should not have eaten meat that day?
Can we finally grow a pair as a baker and say no without fear of retaliation?
Would Peta Sue you for being unfriendly to animals?
Would the US government come down on you for not recognizing the clinical value of unregistered PTSD service dachshunds?
Would the CDC close the shop to contain the virus while simultaneously sue for discrimination?
Would it be better if the man was gay and had an LGBT tattoo on his chest?
Should he scream loudly to only use the restroom?
Perhaps if he threw anthrax spores?
Maybe he should not have eaten meat that day?
CopperCicada · M
I guess I'm sort of curious why we're snowflakes about service jobs all of a sudden.
I've worked catering and other food service jobs where the customers cursed at us, threw things at us, shoved us. Called us idiots, morons, pieces of shit. I've taught in a classroom where the students were openly hostile, belligerent. In my business I've dealt with completely pieces of shit as customers-- hostile, litigious, nasty.
It's called working the job.
If I didn't want to be accosted by drunk self important privileged people-- well, I shouldn't have worked catering. If I didn't want hostile, immature, and nasty students-- well, I shouldn't have been in a classroom. If I didn't want PoS customers-- well, I shouldn't be in business, pretty much anywhere.
I don't get the baker who doesn't want to bake fucked up cakes. Gay things, Nazi things, dicks, pussy's. You're a baker.
I've worked catering and other food service jobs where the customers cursed at us, threw things at us, shoved us. Called us idiots, morons, pieces of shit. I've taught in a classroom where the students were openly hostile, belligerent. In my business I've dealt with completely pieces of shit as customers-- hostile, litigious, nasty.
It's called working the job.
If I didn't want to be accosted by drunk self important privileged people-- well, I shouldn't have worked catering. If I didn't want hostile, immature, and nasty students-- well, I shouldn't have been in a classroom. If I didn't want PoS customers-- well, I shouldn't be in business, pretty much anywhere.
I don't get the baker who doesn't want to bake fucked up cakes. Gay things, Nazi things, dicks, pussy's. You're a baker.
EugenieLaBorgia · F
@CopperCicada I think the whole cake thing started when that baker didn't want to bake a wedding-cake for the same-sex couple. He did offer to bake them another cake and even suggested an alternative baker. It appears, though, that he [b]may[/b] have been just targetted by those to use it as a crusading banner for gay rights. Pretty sure a city has more than one cake shop. In my opinion, the same-sex couple should have just moved on!!
CopperCicada · M
@EugenieLaBorgia i know the background in that story.
it's just strange to me.
i see it more and more in different sectors.
vegan restaurant workers don't want to handle meat. religious pharmacists don't want to dispense birth control. addicts in recovery working in hospitality don't want to be around alcohol. religious ER attending physicians not only don't want to do abortions, but deal with abortion complications.
srsly?
it's just strange to me.
i see it more and more in different sectors.
vegan restaurant workers don't want to handle meat. religious pharmacists don't want to dispense birth control. addicts in recovery working in hospitality don't want to be around alcohol. religious ER attending physicians not only don't want to do abortions, but deal with abortion complications.
srsly?
EugenieLaBorgia · F
@CopperCicada It's all weird stuff. It's like a sheet metal worker saying he doesn't want to cut copper sheet because it's too orangy and the colour hurts his eyes!!
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Harley4Life · M
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Harley4Life · M
@Tracos ok reverse it. The baker is in the KKK and the customer is black
Tracos · 51-55, M
The I guess the client hates the baker too, otherwise he wouldn't want to force the issue... So no the baker doesn't have to bake the cake
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@Jackaloftheazuresand Exactly. A cake ordered by someone IN the KKK? Yes. A cake ordered that's be part of a fund-raising event FOR the KKK? No.
You don't have to go far back in history to see how this could develop. The first step towards the Holocaust in Germany was the refusal to sell or buy or provide services to Jews simply cause they were Jews.
So, say I was anti-Mormon. Should I be required to sell to Mormons? Yes. Should I be required to donate money to their missionary activities? No.
It is the difference between tolerance and acceptance.
You don't have to go far back in history to see how this could develop. The first step towards the Holocaust in Germany was the refusal to sell or buy or provide services to Jews simply cause they were Jews.
So, say I was anti-Mormon. Should I be required to sell to Mormons? Yes. Should I be required to donate money to their missionary activities? No.
It is the difference between tolerance and acceptance.
Harley4Life · M
@SW-User now apply that logic when a baker doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay couple for their wedding and you tell me
SW-User
It isn't logical.
Harley4Life · M
@SW-User the gay couple or the KKK?
SW-User
The baker wouldn’t have made the cake in the first place since the KKK member wouldn’t have stepped foot in the building if he knew the owner is black.
SW-User
@Abrienda No. But how was the real baker forced?
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@SW-User You really ARE an idiot, aren't you? He was FINED by the town he lived in and forced to sell his business! I call that punishment. And what do you mean "No?" You obviously don't know what a "hypothetical" means nor anything about this case nor the tools of logic. Why don't you go share your thoughts about something you actually KNOW about...like making mud pies, troll.
Try changing your user name from LazyYolking to LazyBRAINED. It suits you better.
Try changing your user name from LazyYolking to LazyBRAINED. It suits you better.
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@Abrienda Actually, the name I made is on a japanese character who is lazy by the way. Not solely on me. You could have asked me instead of loosing your shit.
Anyway...
[quote] And what do you mean "No?" You obviously don't know what a "hypothetical" means nor anything about this case nor the tools of logic.[/quote]
Earlier you sent me...
[quote] You miss the point. Do you FORCE someone to do something as offensive to him in such a case as it was for the baker in the real case.[/quote]
That's why I said [b] No. [/b]
[quote]He was FINED by the town he lived in and forced to sell his business![/quote]
There are two things: content and context. If the couple asked the baker to put on the cake "Congrats Mary and Samantha", or "I love being gay" then that baker has every right to refuse service since that's offensive to the baker's beliefs. Just like if the KKK member wanted the black baker to draw a swastika on his cake, that baker has every right to refuse service to that customer. If the customer takes it to court, he will loose.
But since the baker seems to have discriminated against a gay couple all because they were gay and didn't want to bake them a cake. Which is considered by law to be [b]unlawful discrimination[/b], then THAT'S WHY HE WAS FINED. And even though it was harsh, lost his business as well.
You unlawfully discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation, race, religion, etc. the constitution will not work in your favor when that person sues you.
Anyway...
[quote] And what do you mean "No?" You obviously don't know what a "hypothetical" means nor anything about this case nor the tools of logic.[/quote]
Earlier you sent me...
[quote] You miss the point. Do you FORCE someone to do something as offensive to him in such a case as it was for the baker in the real case.[/quote]
That's why I said [b] No. [/b]
[quote]He was FINED by the town he lived in and forced to sell his business![/quote]
There are two things: content and context. If the couple asked the baker to put on the cake "Congrats Mary and Samantha", or "I love being gay" then that baker has every right to refuse service since that's offensive to the baker's beliefs. Just like if the KKK member wanted the black baker to draw a swastika on his cake, that baker has every right to refuse service to that customer. If the customer takes it to court, he will loose.
But since the baker seems to have discriminated against a gay couple all because they were gay and didn't want to bake them a cake. Which is considered by law to be [b]unlawful discrimination[/b], then THAT'S WHY HE WAS FINED. And even though it was harsh, lost his business as well.
You unlawfully discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation, race, religion, etc. the constitution will not work in your favor when that person sues you.
VolpeTredici · 31-35, M
Well, if that person ordered a cake, the baker has a job to do. As long as the cake isn't offensive, he will need the right to refuse service at his own discretion. Many services are not allowed to do that.
Based on right and wrong, I'd say he should be allowed to refuse.
Based on right and wrong, I'd say he should be allowed to refuse.
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EugenieLaBorgia · F
No-one can make a pointy cake!!
Harley4Life · M
@EugenieLaBorgia I bet the Cake Boss can
EugenieLaBorgia · F
@Harley4Life The King of the cakes?? But can he make a gay cake?
TheRascallyOne · 31-35, M
Yes he should is he wants to keep his job
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And A KKK Ghost would bake a Martin King jr Cake
Tracos · 51-55, M
Of course not
SpaceCreature · 26-30, F
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