Why are the french so anal about the muslim headscarf? Live and let live right?
Unless your eyes are actually bleeding from seeing one, why bother working yourself up?
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Miram · 31-35, F
Because it's embarrassing to be surrounded by the culture of the people you enslaved and treated as inferior for more than a century. Not only surrounded, they now have equal opportunities and manage to be more competent than their own. And that wasn't forseen when the Africans were taken as cheap labor.
Their views towards the scarf have been the same since 1830’s.
Their views towards the scarf have been the same since 1830’s.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@cherokeepatti The head scarf is not just a religious symbol. It is a statement of political triumphalism.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@hippyjoe1955 Funny, the headscarf is required in certain Christian ideologies and communities to this very day.
[quote]In Christianity, veiling was a requirement for women who entered church, and still is in certain traditions. St. Paul’s letters to the Corinthians explicitly references this, stating that “every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head.” The veil also denoted women's submission to men. “A man ought to not cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God,” Paul wrote. “But the woman is the glory of man … for this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.”[/quote]
https://www.racked.com/2016/12/20/13988300/head-scarves-history-hijab-gele
[quote]The Catholic Church once required women to cover their heads during mass, a matter codified into canon law in 1917, but this edict was officially discarded in the 1980s. Today, the practice of veiling in church continues in many Eastern Christian communities, especially those in the Orthodox tradition, where rules for covering hair for women (and removing hats for men) upon entering churches are enforced.[/quote]
[quote]Muslim culture was portrayed as inferior to the ways of Europe again and again. Orientalism gave credence to the idea that these societies needed to be conquered and civilized, and the veil became justification to do so.[/quote]
[quote]In Christianity, veiling was a requirement for women who entered church, and still is in certain traditions. St. Paul’s letters to the Corinthians explicitly references this, stating that “every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head.” The veil also denoted women's submission to men. “A man ought to not cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God,” Paul wrote. “But the woman is the glory of man … for this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.”[/quote]
https://www.racked.com/2016/12/20/13988300/head-scarves-history-hijab-gele
[quote]The Catholic Church once required women to cover their heads during mass, a matter codified into canon law in 1917, but this edict was officially discarded in the 1980s. Today, the practice of veiling in church continues in many Eastern Christian communities, especially those in the Orthodox tradition, where rules for covering hair for women (and removing hats for men) upon entering churches are enforced.[/quote]
[quote]Muslim culture was portrayed as inferior to the ways of Europe again and again. Orientalism gave credence to the idea that these societies needed to be conquered and civilized, and the veil became justification to do so.[/quote]
beckyromero · 36-40, F
The burqa is nothing but a symbol of the barbaric, sexist, degrading female repression and total submission to men.
I'm with the French on this one.
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM-E2H1ChJM]
I'm with the French on this one.
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM-E2H1ChJM]
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beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Graylight
You do realized that in some countries governed by Islamic law, such as Iran, it is [b]compulsory[/b] to wear a hijab and that wearing loose headscarves and even nail polish is banned?
You do realized that in some countries governed by Islamic law, such as Iran, it is [b]compulsory[/b] to wear a hijab and that wearing loose headscarves and even nail polish is banned?
Graylight · 51-55, F
@beckyromero Absolutely, and there are serious human right issue to be dealt with in the region. I'm simply making the point that it's not quite the oxen yolk many make it out to be. I know many, many women who choose to or are proud to wear a head covering. The belief that it's some suppressive implement of torture and repression is a Western myth.
Random1Thoughts · F
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
The French are a stronghold nation, take notice of how they concentrate on their language and have established zones where one can't exist without it.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Jackaloftheazuresand Just like the US.
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@Graylight Yes, in the stronghold nation aspect.
Your reason for stating this? I like this about the French by the way.
Your reason for stating this? I like this about the French by the way.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@Jackaloftheazuresand I'm simply comparing the two countries. We in the US should be familiar with the sentiments and facets of the argument, being very similar in this way.
Einstok · 36-40, M
Probably because men used to hide beneath those headscarves and then shot up or blew up French soldiers and civilians when the French occupied Algeria.
Miram · 31-35, F
@Einstok
Not a single documented occurrence of that.
You can't hide behind the headscarf. Your face is revealed.
The traditional outfit in Algeria wasn't the Hidjab or the burqa.
Only modernized women in "French Algeria" were allowed in french public places like Cafés. They wore skirts and dresses.
Not a single documented occurrence of that.
You can't hide behind the headscarf. Your face is revealed.
The traditional outfit in Algeria wasn't the Hidjab or the burqa.
Only modernized women in "French Algeria" were allowed in french public places like Cafés. They wore skirts and dresses.
Northwest · M
France is a secular society, and religious symbols are not allowed for public workers. Turkey used to have the same rule. This applies to all religions.