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Was dividing us all part of Putin’s plan from the start?!

United we stand, divided we fall... are we falling? Are we becoming weak and egotistical?! Whatever happened to diplomacy?!!!!
Pitchblue Best Comment
Trump was one of the easiest ways Putin thought of to divide the country and create cahous. He spent decades lending money and helping Donnie get to where he is now.

Northwest · M
Putin successfully exploited our divisions. You cannot exploit an undivided nation.

Diplomacy has nothing to do with it. Putting used to head the KGB, when the Soviet Union was still the Soviet Union. He remembers that time vividly, when we spent $Bs to destabilize the Soviet Union, and $Ts in building up our military and supporting dictators and wars, designed to weaken the Soviet Union.

To be fair, the Soviet Union's mission, was to conquer, but we went about resisting the wrong way. Today, it's not about political/economic ideology, but about payback and plain old control, just as it was, centuries ago, when the royalty of Europe was fighting for nothing other than control and greed.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Northwest

I thought when you said "To be fair, the Soviet Union's mission, was to conquer, but we went about resisting the wrong way" you might have meant we shouldn't have "spent $Bs to destabilize the Soviet Union, and $Ts in building up our military... designed to weaken the Soviet Union."

Sorry, I don't want or mean to put words in your mouth. That's only what I thought you meant by it.

But I do think it was the right choice (spending all those billions on our military knowing the USSR couldn't keep up) since it effectively ended the USSR's stranglehold on eastern Europe.

And that's not to say, it was only our military spending. Mikhail Gorbachev's policies had a lot to do with it, too.
Northwest · M
@beckyromero Ahhh, no, I meant what I said, and it was in response to the word "diplomacy" in the initial post. I was not discussing the side effects. Just saying that we did not use diplomacy with the Soviet Union.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
@Northwest Ah, OK.

Early on it was Stalin, so forget diplomacy in those years.

With Khrushchev, yes, maybe some openings were possible. We used some: Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved diplomatically. There was no invasion of Cuba (talking post Bay of Pigs).

Maybe tensions would have ease more had JFK lived and Khrushchev not been removed in an essential coup. Hardliners came after him until basically Andropov (ironically KGB) came to power, then Gorbachev not longer after.

Still, there was SALT I, SALT II, START 1, NEW START - arms reductions treaties.

Don't think USSR was much interested, though, in things beyond that. They weren't going to give up their stranglehold on eastern Europe.

From the USSR's perspective, they felt surrounded. And they had been invaded twice in the 20th century from Europe. And there was China to the south, Japan to the east.
SW-User
Fuck Putin, it's our own political leaders who are dividing the country, they refuse to work together for the good of [i]all[/i] the people..

it got bad during the Obama years and it's just getting worse under Trump..

It's become party before principles on BOTH sides..
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@Mamapolo2016
80 percent of incumbents get re elected in every cycle..
until that changes, nothing else will..

I want term limits for all of them, and one six year term for the President..
eight years max for the rest of them..
and they should be barred from lobbying Congress for the same amount of time they served in office or for 4 years, wich ever is longer.
@SW-User I think your proposal is generous, but I can live with it. What needs to happen is that voters need to agree on the priority of clearing the deadwood out of our governing bodies, because it's become obvious to me THEY aren't going to do it.

The obstacle is, what if I (and people of like mind) say, YEAH! What you said! Then you work to achieve it and I don't. In the process all my leeches get re-elected while you've got a bunch of clueless newbies. We have to figure a way to keep both sides honest.
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@Mamapolo2016
congressional jubilee..
every 20 years ALL members of congress must resign..
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
United States does a good job on its own to divide the people.
@MrBrownstone True but do we need extra help from outside powers that be?!!!
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patkaren1717 · 36-40, M
@MrBrownstone So true.
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
I wouldn't say that the US is becoming weak, we have simply too much power politically, economically, and military for it to evaporate overnight. We're still the single most powerful nation. But are we as strong as we used to be? No. And I don't think it's a matter of having enough weapons, we have plenty of those. I believe, as you are saying, it's an internal problem. We're no longer as innovative as we once were, and much more short sighted. Election cycles are only 2-6 years long. We used to look further ahead, we used to see the future and strive to be the first ones there. The airplane, invented in America. Modern computer technology thrived here, the internet was born here, nuclear power in both its glory and its terror was born here. This is why people came to call us "Leader". But where are we trying to go now? Are we pioneering the future, are we blind to it, or worst of all, are we fighting against it? America was not discovered by rowing up river, but by sailing boldy into uncharted seas.
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@FelixLegion how can this change?!!!!
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@FelixLegion u may be correct but don’t u think if we found common ground being that we all live in our great nation?!
beckyromero · 36-40, F
Of course. His eyes are on Ukraine.
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beckyromero · 36-40, F
@FelixLegion Bush 41, Cheney and Powell screwed up. Led to a second war and guess who screwed up? Bush 43, Cheney and Powell.

[i]Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.[/i]
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To directly answer your question, I don't think we've fallen...but our eyes are closed and there's a missing manhole cover just ahead.
InvaderNice · 26-30, M
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@InvaderNice thx for this! Lmao!!!!!
InvaderNice · 26-30, M
@Shewolfiie69 *Picks your ass up and hands it to you* I got to touch Shewolfie’s ass 😍
patkaren1717 · 36-40, M
Putin said long ago diversity will be the fall of the u s. And he was right. Society will bring itself down to the lowest common people. Look at who the Democrats are puppets for.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Sewing social discord is documented Russian strategy at this point, yes. Although I wouldn't get paranoid about it.
Bruh222 · 26-30, M
I don’t think Putin did that but okay.
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@FelixLegion So Putin’s pure as the virgin driven snow?!!!!
MartinTheFirst · 22-25, M
Putin's plan? He's probably sitting in his room just completely baffled watching americans divide themselves entirely without his involvement, thinking "well that solved itself".
@MartinTheFirst lol! No one can be absolutely sure of this!!!!
MartinTheFirst · 22-25, M
@Shewolfiie69 What exactly are you accusing him of?
@MartinTheFirst I’m not sure I’m sure if anything since I wasn’t there! Lol! However, the truth will prevail!!! Go Mueller!!!
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