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What are your thoughts on the "major second wave" of US fracking?

For the record, i have not come to a conclusion on this one. I don't have all the facts yet. Just curious.
These days, as long as it pisses leftist cockroaches off, I'm all for it. Everything is exaggerrated . There are always environmental c0nsequences to things like "fracking" and "horizontal drilling", but everyone exaggerates the consequences or the lack thereof to support their narrative. Why is it considered okay to pay China, Brazil, or Mexico to rape mother earth in lieu of doing a better job ourselves. We have the technology to minimize environmental damage more so than China, Brazil, or Mexico, yet we somehow think we are being the 'good guys' if we just hire someone else to rape the earth for us.
VolpeTredici · 31-35, M
@puck61 Im not for left vs right. Seems like a pointless fight, and we need some new wings.
The rest though, makes sense. We will get it no matter what. If we can do it more safely, then it is the better move for the environment worldwide.
@VolpeTredici Yeah, I have a chip on my shoulder with the leftists,l but it make my head hurt when I look at the truth of the leftist system. They want other countries to do our dirty work and keep quiet about it. The whole 'concern for the environment' is a dog and pony show for the public. The left loves cheap gas as much as the right, and the whole 'carbon footprint] scam is just more gas money for the elite bastards who take advantage of the respectable passions of some liberals for the environment. they take advantage of the greenies and it is pretty damn obvious if you do your homework. Just like they take advantage of minorities . They are shamelessly using the people who are speaking up the most for them.
ImpeccablyImperfect · 51-55, F
Say what you will, for or against, but it's a necessity.
There will always be equally convincing arguments for either side of the debate, but it doesn't change the fact that we need the oil industry if we want to continue living in the world we live in.
I am not particularly willing to give up the heat in my home, or the fuel in my vehicle, or the groceries that are brought to my local grocer (by truck) or the iPad I'm using at this very moment to write this reply. Most of my typical days' activities are made possible because of the oil industry.
We, as a people, seem to have grown an affinity to our creature comforts.

And I don't see too many others running out to buy axes and chop wood for their wood stoves, to heat the home and cook their meals.
VolpeTredici · 31-35, M
@ImpeccablyImperfect In any case, our "need" for it is going to destroy us all in the end.
Using it as much as we do is over reaching. It's not sustainable. If we can't continue as we have without it, maybe we shouldnt continue as we have. We've seen countless examples of how moving too fast can destroy everything involved.

"The world's problems cannot be solved with the same level of thinking that created them."
Graylight · 51-55, F
@ImpeccablyImperfect You make some very good points, and any switch to alternative energy sources will take decades for sure. And in the end, they may not completely curb our need for oil. But if we don't start looking right now at these alternatives, we're not going to need any energy at all.
ImpeccablyImperfect · 51-55, F
@VolpeTredici @Graylight and again, I say....I do agree with that. [i]100%[/i]
We do need to continue with the search for alternatives. :)
I just don't forget about the importance of the oil industry in my world.
SageWanderer · 70-79, M
Let's see, with in a 50 mile radius of my home there have been eight well head explosions since 2013. That's not counting the ruptured pipelines, accidents from heavy well traffic plus the damage to our roads. Add to that most of the workers are from out of state so there is little income to the local governments due to them not being property owners a second wave here? Sorry, lets see the frackers get their acts together first.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@SageWanderer Bingo. If you go to a community where fracking is going on, the local hotel parking lots will be filled with trucks from Texas and Oklahoma. That money is going out of state. In discussions I had with the State of Pennsylvania, the estimated frequency of leakage from fracking wells was 3%. While that will get better with time, when you're looking at 25,000 wells, having even a small percentage of well failures is a big environmental problem.

Any guess what the most earthquake-prone state is in the US? It isn't California, which it was until the late 2000s. It is Oklahoma. Deep well injection of oil field and fracking fluids has generated thousands of earthquakes, and the problem grows by the day.
gregloa · 61-69, M
Who gives a frack. Nowhere in the world has there been more fracking going on in the last fifty years than where I live. There’s no sinkholes no earthquakes. If you’re gonna drill an oil well. You’re gonna frack it. That’s how you do it. Do you want cheap gas for your car or not? Do you want cheap natural gas to heat your home or not. There’s always a wood stove I guess. You can get you a horse and buggy I guess.
Sicarium · 46-50, M
Just one more thing for the fearmongers and defeatists to freak out about.
Icantsoishant · 36-40, M
While I’m generally for less government and less regulations I’m not sure about fracking. I’ve seen some pretty compelling information about the damages it does to the environment, and the risk that it poses to local communities. I still don’t necessarily want federal government intervention but I do wish that local communities were given more education and chances to vote on it before it is allowed in a specific area.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
@VolpeTredici lol no democrats take lot of bribes so no the government never looks out for us it only brings us down.
VolpeTredici · 31-35, M
@MasterLee Republicans are no saints either. Both are to blame.
VolpeTredici · 31-35, M
@MasterLee And the people are to blame for not stopping them. Only children are innocent in this.
Graylight · 51-55, F
There have been more recorded earthquakes than ever measured in Oklahoma, and most fingers point to fracking. It's also a brilliant way to cheat people out of resources they're sitting on.
Deadcutie · 18-21, F
A second wave of tremors , and sinkholes where they normally don't happen, and a second wave of complaints of contaminated wells,
Angeleyez · 51-55, F
@Deadcutie exactly
Peekaboo20 · 26-30, F
Is fracking a word?
Deadcutie · 18-21, F
@Peekaboo20 it's actually appropriate.. they force inject water under pressure to fracture or frack for short, the underlying layers
Deadcutie · 18-21, F
@Peekaboo20 your frack is a replacement term for fuck originally used by the colonials in the show Battlestar galactica..
VolpeTredici · 31-35, M
@Deadcutie Well look at you. Full of info lol
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Would be good
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