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What is a point of your political orientation you don't agree with at all?

By that I mean, if you, let's say, consider yourself or are considered a conservative, what is a point of conservative politics/ideologies you disagree with?
And for liberals as well, what is something you disagree with about liberal politics?

I've asked a similar question before about conservatives' most liberal- and liberals' most conservative viewpoints and although this one is slightly different, my answer will be the same:
I just don't understand why so many liberals, people who are all about equality, peace, freedom, women- and gay rights, etc. defend or even support an ideology like Islam, a religion that is basically against all of those things.
Now, before anyone comments something like "Not all Muslims"; dude, of course not all Muslims are equality- and freedom-hating terrorists, we'd be all dead by now if that was the case!
I do not have a problem with them personally, in fact, I know a lot of Muslims who really only want to live a peaceful life in freedom, but guess what? They shouldn't be supported because they're Muslims, they should be supported because they're [b]people[/b]!
I don't have a problem with them, I have a problem with the ideology they base their entire lives on and I refuse to defend and support [i]any[/i] ideology that encourages hatred and the killing of certain kinds of people.

Guess what, I've been called a hypocrite, a racist (even though religions aren't races) and even a Nazi for having this opinion while apart from that I really am a liberal, a leftist even. 🙄😥
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
I don't know enough about Islam to say anything about that. But I will mention that Christianity isn't all flowers and rainbows, either. A lot of it is excessively derogatory towards women, as well. And the Old Testament. Oooooooh buddy, God is a gangster in it. One could easily pick from thousands of wretched lines enforcing the murder of children and raping and pillaging across the land. But they have that one little line that a lot of Christians stick to. "Oh, the Old Testament rules don't matter anymore." I imagine Muslims have the same thing. It's just dependent on their own lives. Delusions to enforce specific actions, based on their environment.

Anyway. I classify myself as a democratic socialist. I don't really disagree with much in it. I might disagree with a few entitlements like excessive unemployment benefits or something. But, the ideology is sound, imo.

However, with liberalism, also on the left, so sorta on my side, I very much disagree with "political correctness" and "tolerance". A lot of liberalism's *means* to attain equality is just...entirely counterproductive to that goal. Well. And a lot of shit on how liberalism wants to attain equality. It wants to maintain innately unequal institutons and infrastructure....yet attain equality. It's severely lacking.
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Sounds like you're thinking logically and trying to make sense of things.

Labels like liberal and conservative rarely describe real people well. At best they're generalizations, and at worst, they're used these days as a way to lump together people into handy catagories for criticism and demonization.

A generation ago, a lot of people said they were fiscal conservatives or social conservatives, for example. Nowadays, though, we call people who don't buy all of the platform "fake conservatives," RINOs, and to some degree the same things happen on the left.

Political parties are supposed to be people who agree on certain issues, but not necessarily all issues. We're having a crisis right now, in part, because the moderates, i.e., the people who can see multiple sides to issues and don't always think in terms of right or wrong, or worse, of us and them, are being treated more as traitors and enemies.

Just my thoughts.
Fangirlsarah1996 · 26-30, F
It makes sense don't worry...while I don't hate muslims myself, I refuse to support a religion that wants me dead due to the fact that I'm gay.
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Fangirlsarah1996 · 26-30, F
@Emosaur It's like being on the side of the guy holding you at gunpoint in a hostage situation, then suing the cops for taking him down.

It's ultimately a self destructive mentality to have :/
SW-User
Islam doesn't teach anybody to kill gays :/
This is a widespread fallacy among those that easily adopt what they hear
SW-User
@Emosaur Just find me anything that talks about killing gays in the Qur'an and I'll believe you :p
I really can't find anywhere the scriptures say that. Honestly.

Okay, now that I know you don't wish to talk about the scripture, we can focus on the mentality of a given people instead. I'll change my focus.
Just remember that choices are separate from religious behavior.

I agree with you that it's wrong to claim you belong to a religious group and then completely avoid relations with it. XD That makes sense what you're saying. I don't even understand why :p

I understand that it's easier to generalize. I get where you're coming from, and I'll start using pewresearch and check some things out. Thanks for the source.

Well, I'll tell you this >_>
That quote is AWFULLY CLOSE to what is written in the Qur'an, but it's missing some things that are very very essentially corrupted in that quote. The source my class used for this kind of stuff was Sahih International's website: quran.com. The scholars of religion collected their conclusions here. Here is the same place you have there and I do believe you can see a difference: https://quran.com/4/34
You can clearly see that. To be particularly accurate, this verse is talking about wives that commit adultery. The scripture is telling them that they need to not cheat, and if they DO cheat, the husband should advise/warn (whichever word you like more) them, then forsake them in bad, then "strike them." (Strike in this case was also described to be like hitting/tapping on the shoulder to tell them you aren't talking to them because they're cheating on you). According to arabic, the root for this variation of strike is "daraba" which is not beating at all. [An inaccuracy]. It is used with many variations, ranging from a tap, full hit, or even to give an example and more. It's a versatile word, but in this case, the historical context that it was explained with was like a tapping your spouse to avoid talking to them if they won't stop cheating. I'll find which hadith it was from. [b]“'Daraba (darb) to beat, strike, … to play … (to play musical instrument)l to make music; to type ( on a type writer); to sting (scorpion); to separate, part (… people); to impose (… on s.o. s.th.). to turn away from, leave, forsake, abandon, avoid, or shun s.o. or s.th.; – (darb, … daraban) to pulsate. … to move, stir, to rove, roam about, travel. …' (M…” (Hans Wehr A Dictionary of Modern written Arabic [Edited by John Milton – Spoken Language Services, Inc. 1976, 4th edition], page 629) In this case it is understood for the passage (Q 4:34) to mean ‘beat’ lightly (non-violent). This final step the husband was allowed to take, was in the case of clear adultery or something equal to that."[/b]
Where did you get that quote from, anyways? :/
It seems misleading

[b]"A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: “Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine.”" [/b]
That can't be true :/
She was around 14-15 when nikah (the beginning of the marriage process) began and was 19 around consummation. I don't want to make you read a really really big essay on it, but I will capture for you what you want. That hadith you presented looks like a doubtful one :/
Here is a part of the hadith analysis on Aisha's age during marriage and consummation.
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I don't know who has beef with Islam, either :/
I'm as confused as you are as to why anybody would do that, but it still happens up to date that people try to defame a religion. I spent 2.5 years of my life taking religious studies classes just to see if all of this was true, and it's heartbreaking to see that people today just don't want to validate, but just buy what fits with what they think XD
I don't deal with Islamists, and they seem to be a funky group if you ask me >_>
I want none of them. I wouldn't mind writing an article on the truth behind a lot of these lies, though.

Sorry if I missed the sarcasm XD
I honestly was taking every statement you made to be serious :p
(Just be clear, because I really spent such a long time in my life to know if what is being spread is true or not, and nobody else did -_-)
It isn't an ideology because an ideology is defined (by a simple google search) as: "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy." There is nothing political about religions :p

Now I gave you sources that were very authentic. Do you have anything you want more clarification on? XD
If you want to steer away from the religious teachings and to the mentality of Muslims, we can do that. [Although I won't be of much help after that]
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SW-User
@Emosaur It IS homosexuality :/
And homosexuality is explicitly considered a sin in both ORIGINAL/UNALTERED Christianity and Islam

I get your overall point :O
I know what you mean, and you're not wrong.

I'll skip the book then. Islam is highly against misogyny and mistreatment of women, kids, and poor. (According to the book)

It completely is not your fault. I went through the same exact thing and decided to double major in religious studies JUST to actually be able to pass the lies..... ,_,
I feel like I learned a lot. I actually read an article that a Jewish man wrote on why lies are spread on religions. It's actually a normal thing to spread lies about what you want to cover up (like you mentioned before). Lies are spread on the daily about EVERYTHING XD
People even lie about NASA! [I'm referring to the 15 days of darkness shenanigans]
What makes the lies on Islam, Christianity, homosexuality, blacks, liberalism, etc. so POPULAR is because a vast population of the people in the U.S. (I'm not including any other country for this) actually WANT TO BELIEVE in it. They generally actually KNOW it's false, but the lies fit what a large number of people WANT to believe and is spread [from originally a few people that want to just voice the hatred] to the extent that people will openly argue for it, even if it is false. A side effect is that it actually can be taken to BE a fact once it is widely adopted :p

I 100% have no hard feelings over anything you expressed to me and really appreciate your point of view on the matter and thank you for showing me pewresearch. I like that site now and have been using it for the past few days just looking for things XD
Alisha · F
I just live by Judge not Lest ye be judged.

 
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