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I Hate The Way This World Has Become

Cervantes statue vandalized by thug protesters. He was enslaved when the boat he travelled in was attacked by pirates, and only released when his family paid a ransom.

But it would be too naive to think the statue was vandalized out of ignorance. It has because Cervantes was white in a time where whites colonized the world. George Washington's statues are vandalized because he was white in a time where slavery is the past.

BLM and other protestors want to destroy the past, a past they hate, and replace it with their ideas of a new world. Their mindset is the same French revolutionaries or Russian
Bolsheviks used to have. If they reached power some day, their Robespierres and Stalins would soon come out.

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Katabasis · 41-45, M

There is no nobility in this, just the self gratification of a mindless thug.

FairyGirlGemma · F

[quote]“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

― George Orwell, 1984[/quote]

Mugin16 · 46-50, M

@FairyGirlGemma I don't know how many people have quoted this quote by Orwell. I see all the time. It is of course absolutely fitting for what is going on.

novembermoon · 51-55

Gosh. Thug behaviour really. There is no place for such barbaric behaviour in a civilized world. And those who don't know how to live peaceably should just get the hell out.

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Mugin16 · 46-50, M

@novembermoon @Cierzo

"This iconoclasm is a primitive manifestation of rage. These mobs are pulling down these statues and committing violence on them as substitutes for human beings they consider to be their intolerable enemies. There is no real reason behind a lot of this. They are exterminating all symbols of the social and political order. The liberal democratic order is under attack, and the police and politicians will not defend it, any more than university presidents, newspaper publishers, or other institutional leaders, will defend it." - Rod Dreher

Cierzo · M

@Mugin16 I agree with his words. These should not only be seen only as iconoclasm, but as a warning about what may happen to real people soon. And stupid (or better said, dangerous and with a very certain goal) claims like 'defund police' get us closer to that day.

Mugin16 · 46-50, M

@Cierzo "Do not worry too much about the statues which are now coming down. They mean surprisingly little. Worry more about the ones they are soon going to be putting up, and what they will represent." - Peter Hitchens

rckt148 · 61-69, M

Funny you mention France .
They closed the Catholic Church ,sent Swiss guards away ,and while the pope was in captivity ,he died ,the Church's deadly wound .
No one paid tax's ,men left their wives for other men and this went on for 3 yrs .Then their plan to replace the Church was to get a whore and call her the Goddess of reason .you can read how that worked out .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason#:~:text=The%20Cult%20of%20Reason%20(French,Catholicism%20during%20the%20French%20Revolution.

Mugin16 · 46-50, M

Yes, it is enough that the statue shows a white man for it to be vandalized or toppled. Even statues of Abraham Lincoln were attacked.

Mugin16 · 46-50, M

Statement by the Spanish Embassy in the U.S.

"(2/4) It is also with great regret that we receive the news of the damages inflicted upon the bust of Miguel de Cervantes, who was himself held as a slave in Algiers for 5 years, and whose literature serves as a call for freedom and equality."

https://twitter.com/SpainInTheUSA/status/1274437473968500736

Cierzo · M

@Mugin16 As usual, no clue about what is going on, and fear to use the word race.

SW-User

[quote]BLM and other protestors want to destroy the past, a past they hate,[/quote]

With history of some of the founding fathers owning slaves/ raping them or supporting the killings of Indigenous Americans and other historical figures who fought to keep slavery alive and well, I wouldn’t glorify that past either. There is a reason why some of those statues are coming down. Is it best to destroy them? No. Better to remove them and place them in a museum.

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SW-User

@Cierzo well obviously you can’t change history, but a statue? All it takes is to sign a petition to get one taken down and replace it with some other historical figure. And maybe that’s what some rioters want to happen.

Cierzo · M

@SW-User That would be different. But doing so takes arguments. Arguments on both sides, those wanting to replace the statue and those wanting to keep it.

Too complicated in our emotional times. Better feel offended.

rckt148 · 61-69, M

@Cierzo A poll was recently taken with older black people at the center of it ,
Those who would know more about how things were before the 60's
Most said they would vote to leave the statues where they are .
As you said ,its history and it can't be changed ,but the monuments can serve as a reminder how far we have actually come ,and not to repeat that history again .
Today the mindset is to remove everything that offends someone ,
Well we are not all the same ,so when that goal is reached ,
What will be left ?

InOtterWords · F

The problem is one of anger and mis education.

Cierzo · M

@InOtterWords Mainly anger. The anger of the schoolkid kicking the textbook after failing an exam.

InOtterWords · F

@Cierzo no, more the pent up anger of not being heard for generations.

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