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MrVintage71 · 51-55, M
Nope totally disagree..if you do something wrong in the work place,own upto it.. Unions just get in the way. The union fir the company I work for ,are totally pathetic,and a bunch of bullies
val70 · 56-60
@MrVintage71 Nope, you're wrong and I have personal experiences that point me right in my opinion.
MrVintage71 · 51-55, M
@val70 as have I seen and been on the end of bullying from I union representatuves,I can say my experience is far different

Gibbon · 70-79, M
Yeah, sure. pay that guy that's been turning the same wrench his whole life three times that of a skilled laborer who can work unsupervised and multitask?
Gibbon · 70-79, M
@val70 that's a complete different framing than my thoughts on unions. In the US, why do I think of the auto industry? And it's union history.
Your oligarchs and the unions created this situation.
It doesn't address the pigs at the top, but it addresses the labor force.
You had people who had zero skills. They were trained to turn one wrench on an assembly line. And that's what they did. That's all they knew how to do. And they got paid double to triple the wage of non-union workers in a skilled job. When they lost their job, the line shut down. They had nothing to fall back on because they had new skills to start with.
The non-union people, they survived those times, because they had something to offer an employer. During those periods of time, too, they felt like they were getting shafted, looking at the people inside those auto factories, getting paid double to triple their pay, and not knowing how to do squat other than turn one wrench.
And before it all fell apart in the 2000s... Their leaders told them to go on strike. They didn't get paid, but their leaders still got their paychecks. Here's your oligarchs at work.
You and I are looking at two different things. And you're looking at the very reason I despise unions. They're said to protect the employee, but that's the last thing they do.
val70 · 56-60
@Gibbon Look, in Wales as in the border counties of England the trading union for the miners almost took it to civil war when the mines were closed. One can look back at that in various ways. Some take the trade unions to task whilst others similarly not take any lesson out of the tragedy still believe in the betrayal of the miners. Well, knowing something of the communities that were affected, I can tell you that the tragedy was fully shouldered by the local community and no further. Local people actually provided something to eat to their neighbours where the husband was layed off and couldn't find a new job even after retraining. In this respect I still value a trade union because it's the only institution left that has a direct link to the labourers. People who owned the coal mines weren't even living nearby. Nor were most of the other British citizens that looked on. I don't blame anyone, but it's a fact that pulling the plug on the job opportunity for an entire community isn't done. At times one needs to go towards that, or rather changing over to another opportunity for work, but never one does it that suddenly and without any recourse to retraining nor even incentives given to companies to invest in the area. One just doesn't leave huge numbers of people behind nor leave huge areas of the country rot like before.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
@val70 You're talking a different situation. The same thing happened to this state right next to me, West Virginia. It also happened in Pennsylvania. You have towns that were built around a single industry, coal mining or steel mills. When the industry's lost, so are the jobs and the work. There's little else there. The stores and places to work such as that are all supported by the industry. They close too. This would happen with or without the union. Yeah, the oligarchs are the ones that pull out regardless of how it affects the people. They're in business if the business is not producing. They don't have any choice. It's a fragile chain there. The weakest link breaks it. I don't see how a union saves that situation one way or the other. And yes, every situation I'm talking about, the town rots.
ChaosHotdog · 100+
The one I was in took 12 quid off me a month and did absolutely fuck all.
val70 · 56-60
@ChaosHotdog That's yours then, not mine for one. Drive on the wrong side of the road in Britain and you'll notice what's right.

 
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