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I Dont Believe In Monogamy

I've never been more convinced in the futility of long-term/permanent monogamy as I am right now. So. My mother went away to my aunt's house for the week for the holidays. I swear, my dad has become a different person. I'm sure my mother is doing very well, as well. My dad is normally very brooding and clearly stressed out. Every little thing irritates him, and he's always very tense: like he's walking on eggshells. Today, he's free as a bird. It's like he's on Cloud 9. All happy-go-lucky, full of energy, playing with the dogs. Like a great weight has been lifted from his shoulders.

My mother has in the recent past, also expressed--in no uncertain terms--how she wishes to be divorced and venting fervently to me on how terrible my father is. She just has nowhere else to go. And she has no skills or education or anything to support herself. So she has no choice but to stay with my dad.

I think they'd both be a lot better off if they did divorce and found other people. But that's the thing with monogamy. You grow so comfortable with this other person--even if you don't love them--that's what you're *used* to, and it's scary to branch out, even when it would be the best thing for you. Then, they have religion that doubly enforces that, so the ending is that they both feel trapped.

But people always rationalize it. Like, "Oh, this one person was just bad for me." But I've never seen it any different. They never think "Oh, it's the *situation* I've put myself in, not the person I put myself in that situation with."

Well. That's how I see it.
Bhello · 56-60, C
Monogamy is not a thing that can be rationalized. You do or you don't. I have been with the same person for 32 years and will never love anther person. We have been married for 29 years. i will never marry another person. OK here is the BIG BUT we have learned that we can also have fun with out each other we also have learned that no one person can keep anther person interested in the same things 100% of the time. That goes for TV shows, Religion, politics and sex and on and on. You have to be together because you want to be together.
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
I wouldn't eliminate the possibility of it working. But i think for the vast majority of people it simply doesn't work.
Paliglass · 41-45, F
In reality they are both free to walk away at any time. They are in the illusion they are trapped. If they realise their entrapment is an illusion then they will either part ways or feel free in their CHOICE to stay and therefore feel happy.
We all choose what we're doing every day.
As my son put it when I said he needed to go to school, to get a job, to eat and have shelter he said "I could just sit at the side of the road and die. I don't have to do all that" (he passed exams and is at college now) but everything is a choice. We could all sit at the side of the road and die of starvation if we really wanted to. Although in the UK you'd probably end up in hospital, fed through a tube and wake up thinking what did they do this to me for and then once you're well they'll put you back on the street and you'd have to start all over again so anyway mostly we have choices and your parents are choosing to live how they live and if they could see its a choice they're making they'd feel much better.
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
Probably. But--at least, in my view--they are excessively delusional creatures. They dont make choices on a conscious level. They delude themselves into thinking various ways. Actually, this is the way the frontal lobe works with virtually everyone. Much more a lot of religious folks, imo. The conscious mind's primary goal is to rationalize instincts. "I shouldn't have this slice of cake, or ill get fat. Welllll, I can just work it off tomorrow." [Neurologist Steven Novella] In this way, i think--and I realize most do not agree, also in scientific fields--that whatever choice we have is either non-existent or very minimal.

Yes. You could just sit on the side of the street and die, but you dont, because both mind and instinct agree that would be a bad thing. It's, in effect, no choice, at all. With something like, "if i leave, I become very uncomfortable," it's instinctually opposed to the rational idea of "I'd be better off eventually." Which serves as a much harder choice to make, sparking cognitive dissonace. Leading to, effectively no choice at all. Particularly with my mother, someone who simply could not survive on her own.

Maybe my dad could make the choice to leave, but it would also go against his moral code, which serves as another trapping mechanism.

There are choices that people are forced into, I think, effectively leaving no choice, at all, because the choice is so obvious. Like, "I shoot you in the face or you pick a pen up." You could choose to get shot. But, instinct and mind agree that there is, in effect, no choice.
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Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@LittleEvilOne :/ Life sucks sometimes.

I dropped out after 9th grade, too.

Have you thought about going back to school? There are tons of older people at the local community college. Granted, mostly 18 year olds, but there's never any shame in education. Worst case scenario, you learn a bunch of stuff.
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Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@LittleEvilOne There you go. You could, with just a bit of effort. ^_^ There's a bunch of grants for mothers, i believe; or, at least were during the Obama administration. I need to go back, too.
SW-User
however much people love and care for each other
every now and then, they need a break from one another
it is so very important
SW-User
I can relate that with my parents. My mom is mostly whiny and complaining about every darn thing, and she has no skills to fix them. My dad who's highly talented and skilled, gets stressed to be around her. When she's not around, he's a much happier man. They are just not meant for each other, but staying together for the heck of it.

I can tell you one thing. I have been in quite a few relationships. Whether good or bad, they are all stressful. Even if the other person is compatible, if they are not independent or don't have a social life, they'd latch on to you and suck the hell out of you. That even happened with some great women I have been with. You just wait for the day when they'd learn and take care of themselves, but that will never arrive. Laziness, lack of energy or interest and many other things that we don't see before living with them, just wrecks it. Yes, it could work, only when they will to work, but some of them don't.
🙂 ah well.. Maybe after their little break they will be nicer.. Or take a bigger more perminant break :)

I used to wish my folks would split as they'd bicker like hell. But they are still together even now
Justpeaceandlove · 61-69, F
I'm so happy you see it so clearly. Hope you never get caught up in attachments as so many do. :)
SW-User
I totally respect that. Hopefully you'll find a relationship with girls who believe the same thing :)
swandfriends · 41-45, F
I think most people are better off single. Or to at least to get to know the single life sometime in your life durring an extended period of time. I've been single most of my life. I have found, not only in myself, but have noticed with other people, sometimes you can't really be your true self around a partner. That's what sounds like is going on with your dad
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@swandfriends I didn't think of it like that. Interesting. That's probably right on point. He is the rock; mom is the ocean. They've also pretty much never been single. Moms was 19 when she got married to him; he was 28, but was in a rock band, so, basically nonstop women. Neither of them have really ever been single.

Why do you think that would be important? Self-mastery?
swandfriends · 41-45, F
Oh yeah people that have never experienced being completely single might start to re-evaluate who they are inside and what they really want to do in life after becoming single. They may realize that they were being held back in some way. Whether their sense of humor, sense of adventure.. they might end up running across someone later in life that they realize they are way more compatible with. People change after about 25-30 something years of age
Very true. Monogamy is a taught ideal and cliche that is not practical in the real world.
@Selfexpression I certainly couldn't be monogamous if there was a chance of also being with you!
MightySizeQueen · 36-40, F
You can always suggest marriage therapy... Talk to them..... I think they mean well to stay together...

Or you can bring up them being swingers... Let them go to private sex parties and let them fuck whoever 😁
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@MightySizeQueen On second thought, I'm not sure how I feel about having any degree of awareness about my parent's sex life. >_>

But, they're actually doing very well, now, ironically. Dad started giving mom little love notes and buying her stuff, and mom has been less crazy, more loving and appreciative. They only scream at each other around once a month, now, lmao.
SW-User
Very intelligently put.

Being happy shouldn’t come at a price emotionally or financially.

Simple living and genuine connection count a great deal when it comes from matters of the heart.
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@SW-User Heh. Thank ya. I've adjusted my perception a bit since then. I was very anti-marriage at that point. Now I'm less antagonistic towards monogamy and actually view it as pretty necessary.

Being happy definitely has a price. That said, I think if someone bases their relationship only on a connection, it's bound for failure or unhappiness. Feelings are impulsive and mercurial. Important. But not reliable when you're talking about a lifelong dedication, imo.

Definitely down with simple living, though!
RubySoo · 56-60, F
I enjoy your posts. You see things very clearly and voice your opinions well. I understand your way of thinking. Please don't change. ( have u had a name change?) X
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
Thank you. :) I appreciate that a lot. I don't get it, very often. I try. ^^

I did change my name. Got a bit tired of people going, "Cold fits." :P

Alas, life is change.
BlueDiver · 36-40, M
That's well said. The only thing I'd want to add is to say that what people never seem to realize is: a bad ending doesn't negate the beginning or the middle.
Fancy gluing yourself to one person at the sake of being your real self and true growth, what a horrible waste of time
Fungirlmmm · 51-55, F
Did your parents divorce, and are they happy together or apart?
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@Fungirlmmm Hmm. Accidentally turned off notifications. Mom went especially batty last month and said she was getting a divorce, bailed to my aunts house for around 7 hours, then called and asked to come back to my dad. I wouldn't call it "happy", but they're still together. My mom doesn't have anywhere else to go. More like two countries having a trade and ceasefire agreement.
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Specialyouare · 31-35, F
Very well said! I like how you think as well 😊
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@Specialyouare Thanks. ^-^
Clearly some people get stuck in their marriage. But other people get stuck in their aloneness or their complicated open relationship or their wandering from one encounter to another. I don't think monogamy, as such, is the problem.
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@CinnamonWorlds People in open relationships or wandering don't murder/suicide or steal half the other's shit. At least, not to the degree of monogamous folks. 😶

Big claim, but I'm pretty sure it's true. Monogamy is just unhealthy. So is being alone.
@Tatsumi I have known and experienced some pretty damned unhealthy open relationships too.

Getting back to your post, I am sorry about the state of your parents' marriage as you describe it so vividly!
JohnOinger · 41-45, M
hope you do find some girls
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
I've got one. I just refuse to be chained down.
Funwoman · 46-50, F

 
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