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[b]5 hours into debate and the Commons divides over an ammendment to the Johnson agreement to withhold approval of Johnson's deal until legislation is in place to enact it[/b]
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Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Picklebobble2 Will Johnson request a delay from the EU as required, or will he flout the law as he intimated in his remarks after the vote?
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@windinhishair Confusion reigns.
After the result of the vote Johnson left the Commons and questions were being asked directly to the Speaker !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
After the result of the vote Johnson left the Commons and questions were being asked directly to the Speaker !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Picklebobble2 I was watching the live feed from the House of Commons listening to the Speaker respond to questions. Quite remarkable! History unfolding!
Did you see Johnson's body language when Corbyn was speaking? Arms folded and completely closed to hearing.
Did you see Johnson's body language when Corbyn was speaking? Arms folded and completely closed to hearing.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@windinhishair what got me was the arrogance of Rees-Mogg !
The Speaker trying to answer all these quite legitimate points of order questions from MP's who didn't know if they were supposed to prepare speeches on certain subjects for Monday.
Rees-Mogg was sat at the end of the front bench and engrossed in his phone !
Eventually the Speaker had to officially ask him what the plan for Monday was !
The Speaker trying to answer all these quite legitimate points of order questions from MP's who didn't know if they were supposed to prepare speeches on certain subjects for Monday.
Rees-Mogg was sat at the end of the front bench and engrossed in his phone !
Eventually the Speaker had to officially ask him what the plan for Monday was !
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Picklebobble2 Arrogance is definitely not in short supply today, is it?
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@windinhishair I just don't get the attitude. I get that the Conservative front bench is staunch Leave. I get that Labour's position is 'Let the government hang itself' But there's a real vacuum with regard to point a way forward.
Best speech today ? Theresa May's ! Even she said 'See the irony going on here ?'
Best speech today ? Theresa May's ! Even she said 'See the irony going on here ?'
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Picklebobble2 So nothing changed?
And the opposition is still has despicable as it was a couple of weeks ago. Where it yelled about the undemocratic part of Johnsons' proposal to scratch parliament and get things over with, without ever having a proposal that bridges opposition and majority in search for a sollution out of this mess. I'm actually pretty disgusted by the labor party when it comes to this. I think there is a moment of doing politics and a moment on understandinging that if you let things fester too long that some demagogue might stand and gulp everyone up in the next elections. Nothing is so easily abused and used for personal gain, as the emotions of outrage and disgust of the voters.
And the opposition is still has despicable as it was a couple of weeks ago. Where it yelled about the undemocratic part of Johnsons' proposal to scratch parliament and get things over with, without ever having a proposal that bridges opposition and majority in search for a sollution out of this mess. I'm actually pretty disgusted by the labor party when it comes to this. I think there is a moment of doing politics and a moment on understandinging that if you let things fester too long that some demagogue might stand and gulp everyone up in the next elections. Nothing is so easily abused and used for personal gain, as the emotions of outrage and disgust of the voters.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Kwek00 But as it stands things are pretty stable.
It's when decisions have to be made that things will change.
Employers will have some idea just what operating in a post-Brexit Britain will actually cost them if they're exporting/importing from the E:U.
The currency is pretty stable. Until we leave. Then the vultures will be buying or selling the Pound short.
Everyday that passes without a deal is a day nearer the end of Trump's tenure in America. SO the crap deals he's been talking about become less of a probability.
Ironically, indecision and delay is good for the country despite the political stalemate.
It's when decisions have to be made that things will change.
Employers will have some idea just what operating in a post-Brexit Britain will actually cost them if they're exporting/importing from the E:U.
The currency is pretty stable. Until we leave. Then the vultures will be buying or selling the Pound short.
Everyday that passes without a deal is a day nearer the end of Trump's tenure in America. SO the crap deals he's been talking about become less of a probability.
Ironically, indecision and delay is good for the country despite the political stalemate.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Picklebobble2 I hope you are right Bob.
But Political matters that don't get resolved. And a political side that is backed up by a democratic mandate (or a scientific pubblication) can get really radical over time. The longer this takes, the more people that believe in this entire Brexit-thing will get frustrated. The entire war in the street things isn't happening just now, it's still an ivory tower thing. But if something happens that triggers deep believers of a just-cause... youg might end up with things you are seeing in Catalonia at the moment. Where a democratic majority voted for something, things stayed okay and peacefull, untill the spanish governement decided to brutally punish political-leaders who democratically asked advice from their region.
Why would the US bail you out, if you have no leverage? The UK really needs something, that's not like a good place to be in if you are going to try and get a deal. Is there like some hope for altruism when you are in a bad bargaining position?
Ironically the last sentence is still a thought that comes from an island. There are two big actors in this story. And I'm not sure if the EU will keep granting things. Because UK-MPs have this incredible believe that not giving another delay is apperently "unreasonable". It's really incredible at how easy they go over this as if something someone else must grant you, is already obtained as if it belongs to them. Going to Europe to ask delays, has become a running joke, some futile matter that just needs to be done.
But Political matters that don't get resolved. And a political side that is backed up by a democratic mandate (or a scientific pubblication) can get really radical over time. The longer this takes, the more people that believe in this entire Brexit-thing will get frustrated. The entire war in the street things isn't happening just now, it's still an ivory tower thing. But if something happens that triggers deep believers of a just-cause... youg might end up with things you are seeing in Catalonia at the moment. Where a democratic majority voted for something, things stayed okay and peacefull, untill the spanish governement decided to brutally punish political-leaders who democratically asked advice from their region.
Why would the US bail you out, if you have no leverage? The UK really needs something, that's not like a good place to be in if you are going to try and get a deal. Is there like some hope for altruism when you are in a bad bargaining position?
Ironically the last sentence is still a thought that comes from an island. There are two big actors in this story. And I'm not sure if the EU will keep granting things. Because UK-MPs have this incredible believe that not giving another delay is apperently "unreasonable". It's really incredible at how easy they go over this as if something someone else must grant you, is already obtained as if it belongs to them. Going to Europe to ask delays, has become a running joke, some futile matter that just needs to be done.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Kwek00 No. You're assessment is all wrong.
America is 'short on friends'. Especially from a business point of view.
Trump has spent so much time pointing out everybody else's frailties because he knows nothing is moving for the better at home. He thinks that strategy makes him look 'strong' to a country not seeing their living standards improve.
The E:U has it's own problems.
At least three countries close to economic collapse. (Italy; Ireland and Greece)
No movement in the currency markets in their favour.
And the fact they're about to lose the fifth largest financial contributor when(or more likely IF) the UK ever leaves.
America is 'short on friends'. Especially from a business point of view.
Trump has spent so much time pointing out everybody else's frailties because he knows nothing is moving for the better at home. He thinks that strategy makes him look 'strong' to a country not seeing their living standards improve.
The E:U has it's own problems.
At least three countries close to economic collapse. (Italy; Ireland and Greece)
No movement in the currency markets in their favour.
And the fact they're about to lose the fifth largest financial contributor when(or more likely IF) the UK ever leaves.