Roundandroundwego · 61-69
TG USA and Israel will never negotiate in good faith or accept that others can have valid concerns. Only total animation can save us from Israel USA! God speed to the Axis.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@sree251 wish we had more like him. I don’t mind crumbs. Orange and Pelosi steal entrees.
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@LeopoldBloom many Jewish settlers in the West Bank would disagree
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@AthrillatheHunt Royal Canadian Air Farce a comedy troop back in the day made a joke about how the Bush Administration knew Saddam had WMDs because Donald Rumsfeld literally had the receipts from the sale.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow nobody likes the Kurds
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Germany to Saddam : “so we have this gas we planned to use but it’s been sitting around for like 75 years so you can have it. “
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
Well that’s how the orange 🍊 clown 🤡 negotiates a deal!
Lol 😂
Lol 😂
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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 The wish is mutual between Israel and Iran, and Iran's government is undoubtedly nasty; but neither has right to destroy the other.
The USA's intervention probably has more to do with perceived advantages to the USA than anything else, and has not given any clear reason for wading in all guns blazing. It is Israel's main ally in the world but I don't think the US government has offered helping Israel as a reason.
Really, tensions between Iran, Palestine and Israel has been simmering ever since Israel as a distinct territory was carved out of Palestine in very unpleasant circumstances in the late 1940s. Its expansionist activities in recent decades have worsened the tension; and Iran is ready and willing to back the brigand groups like Hamas and Hezbollah against Israel.
None of the three countries - Iran, Israel and the USA - will come out of this war with any credit, or any real sense of "victory".
Whatever the outcome, and whenever that may be, the real vanquished will be the ordinary citizens of Israel, Palestine, Iran and Lebanon.
The USA's intervention probably has more to do with perceived advantages to the USA than anything else, and has not given any clear reason for wading in all guns blazing. It is Israel's main ally in the world but I don't think the US government has offered helping Israel as a reason.
Really, tensions between Iran, Palestine and Israel has been simmering ever since Israel as a distinct territory was carved out of Palestine in very unpleasant circumstances in the late 1940s. Its expansionist activities in recent decades have worsened the tension; and Iran is ready and willing to back the brigand groups like Hamas and Hezbollah against Israel.
None of the three countries - Iran, Israel and the USA - will come out of this war with any credit, or any real sense of "victory".
Whatever the outcome, and whenever that may be, the real vanquished will be the ordinary citizens of Israel, Palestine, Iran and Lebanon.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Both sides make demands of the other, that they must know will not be acceptable. The concept of reparations is of course not new, and possibly the only demand there of potential international merit.
However, I have a Question of Law about this talk of Iran controlling the Strait of Hormuz.
I examined my atlas - its Arabia pages holding a book-mark for ready reference - to see just who is where, and to measure distances.
The Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman, separated by the Strait of Hormuz, is an international waterway. Pesumably the boundaries of its coastal countries run down the centre of it, at most.
They are Iran alone to the East, but Oman, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait to the West.
The Strait is under 30 miles wide at narrowest (not much more than the Straits of Dover, which is among the world's busiest for ships). It separates Iran from the Ra's Musandam peninsula, a tiny Omani exclave neighbouring the UAE.
The Persian Gulf is generally well over 120 miles wide.
Ships going to Iranian ports obviously have to enter Iranian waters close to them; but I wondered, what of passing along the two Gulfs and through the Strait close to their Western coasts? (This assumes sufficient navigable water as the entire Gulf is <200m deep, and Ra's Musandam is continued by a few small islands.)
Can Iran control the West side of the Gulf and Strait in any legal sense?
However, I have a Question of Law about this talk of Iran controlling the Strait of Hormuz.
I examined my atlas - its Arabia pages holding a book-mark for ready reference - to see just who is where, and to measure distances.
The Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman, separated by the Strait of Hormuz, is an international waterway. Pesumably the boundaries of its coastal countries run down the centre of it, at most.
They are Iran alone to the East, but Oman, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait to the West.
The Strait is under 30 miles wide at narrowest (not much more than the Straits of Dover, which is among the world's busiest for ships). It separates Iran from the Ra's Musandam peninsula, a tiny Omani exclave neighbouring the UAE.
The Persian Gulf is generally well over 120 miles wide.
Ships going to Iranian ports obviously have to enter Iranian waters close to them; but I wondered, what of passing along the two Gulfs and through the Strait close to their Western coasts? (This assumes sufficient navigable water as the entire Gulf is <200m deep, and Ra's Musandam is continued by a few small islands.)
Can Iran control the West side of the Gulf and Strait in any legal sense?
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ArishMell Well first off the strait is only 20 miles across so you can target ships with even standard artillery guns that is how short the distance is.
And according to a UN resolution any country that allows their territory to be used to launch a war of aggression is equally culpable and fair game so the Gulf states are the equivalent of say the other Axis countries like Hungary, Romania and the Baltics in WW2.
What the aggressor wants is irrelevant. And what about the coastal waters of the USA? 6, 7 thousand miles away? The US has no business meddling in the region.
And according to a UN resolution any country that allows their territory to be used to launch a war of aggression is equally culpable and fair game so the Gulf states are the equivalent of say the other Axis countries like Hungary, Romania and the Baltics in WW2.
What the aggressor wants is irrelevant. And what about the coastal waters of the USA? 6, 7 thousand miles away? The US has no business meddling in the region.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I agree. All this would not have happened if the US Government had not decided to wade in as an aggressor.
Not content with that, we now see it, in the shape of James Vance, trying to interfere in Hungary's internal politics.
Not content with that, we now see it, in the shape of James Vance, trying to interfere in Hungary's internal politics.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@ArishMell
If you draw a centerline between Iran and UAE at the Strait of Hormuz, both the navigational lanes - each is 2 miles wide - for ships coming thru and going out the Strait are on the Iranian side which is deep enough. The UAE side is not deep enough for safe passage; especially for the huge tankers, commercial vessels and cruise ships. Marine traffic is a lot more ponderous than vehicular movement. Ships can drift apart from effect of water currents.
Can Iran control the West side of the Gulf and Strait in any legal sense?
If you draw a centerline between Iran and UAE at the Strait of Hormuz, both the navigational lanes - each is 2 miles wide - for ships coming thru and going out the Strait are on the Iranian side which is deep enough. The UAE side is not deep enough for safe passage; especially for the huge tankers, commercial vessels and cruise ships. Marine traffic is a lot more ponderous than vehicular movement. Ships can drift apart from effect of water currents.
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