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ArishMell · 70-79, M
Unfortunately for the Maryland resident the USA's judicial system would have no influence on any other nation's. Release would probably have to be negotiated at diplomatic level.

Is El Salvador charging the USA for this "service", perhaps at a higher rate than the prison cost?


A weird side-effect of this Kafka-esque deportation without process is that an English family, living in England, is now worried whether it is safe to proceed with their planned holiday in Miami.

The husband has an elaborate tattoo on his arm, including a clock face showing the date and time of birth of their daughter. The tattooist quite innocently placed a photograph of the tattoo on Facebook, but the American authorities somehow identified the man and thought without evidence that he must be a member of that gang!

I don't know if the wearer had also displayed it on some social-medium so was far easier to find.

He is neither South American nor US American, has committed no crimes at all, but if he visits the USA he would be a foreigner with an elaborate tattoo.... and one listed by the security services.

A historian interviewed by BBC Radio Four for background said the practice among gangs now is not to have tattoos.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Sorry, I don't know what you mean. The system seems to be deporting people on a whim, whether they have committed crimes or not, to a regime not at all interested in justice.

I realise any who had in fact broken the law, had done so in the USA; but deportation of such people should be to their home countries and only after proper judicial process.

Millions, I take it, of US taxpayers' Dollars?

Well, I'd certainly not visit the US at the moment! The People's Republic of China might be safer. (I even have friends who have holidayed there.)
@ArishMell Exactly. So the minute they arrested him from a legal standpoint at a minimum it was illegal detention or even kidnapping.

This is why the Trump gang claiming the courts have no standing because it is "foreign policy" because they managed to smuggle a prisoner out doesn't make what they did less illegal in the US.


Yep. I believe it was 6 million.

I would not blame you. The US is becoming flyover country overnight for a reason.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Thank you for explaining it. Not a healthy state at all and I hope you can sort it all out for everyone's sake.

Although it would be easy, and indeed right, to say as a foreigner this is a purely internal US matter, it could have repercussions elsewhere in the world by deterring genuine visitors and by encouraging regimes like Erdogan's in Turkey, and Orban's in Hungary.
Let's pretend it's complicated and that the mainstream ain't no fascists. That's how you keep it going! Good job!
@JSul3 of course. And in the Constitution you find that the government must provide for the public welfare. The UN charter applies directly to the details. You fascists just hate peace and love you some sick and poor people working for y'all's oligarchs. Not complicated.
The fourth amendment already made these renditions illegal.
JSul3 · 70-79
@Roundandroundwego It guarantees due process.

Bring forth charges and prove them in a court of law and have a decision rendered.

That is not happening.
@JSul3 yes. But Americans understand that you're lawlessness is key to your greatness.
Weird how out of like 250 "worst of the worst" only 5 have felony convictions and 90% have no criminal record at all. Huh.
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