ElwoodBlues · M
Thanks for the video. I don't see any "terrorism" on the woman's part. Looked to me like the ICE agent stepped out from in front of her moving SUV, then shot in the window.
I seriously wonder how much law enforcement training that ICE agent has. Does he even know how to approach a vehicle?? Here's hoping this shooting gets thoroughly investigated.
I seriously wonder how much law enforcement training that ICE agent has. Does he even know how to approach a vehicle?? Here's hoping this shooting gets thoroughly investigated.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
@ElwoodBlues The bullet hole in the windshield tells a lot!
ElwoodBlues · M
@fanuc2013 That bullet hole in the side of the windshield was fired from the side, just like the other two; this is proven by the video shot from behind; the earliest video released. You can see the feet of the shooter as all 3 shots go off in quick succession.
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) guidance—specifically, 2014 ICE/Border Patrol use-of-force policies—
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-killings-20140227-story.html
It's all related to a problem known as "officer created jeopardy," which involves an officer intentionally stepping in front of a moving vehicle to create an excuse for deadly force. It's been affirmed as a defense for drivers in SCOTUS Barnes v. Felix 2025.
This problem is why the DoJ's own use-of-force policy says that agents may not fire at a moving car that is threatening them unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”
In this case, Officer Jonathan Ross stepped out of the path of the moving vehicle -- the EXACT means of defense the DoJ cites -- and after defending himself, fired three shots as the vehicle was passing by.
I'll also cite the the 110 page ICE Firearms and Use of Force Handbook
https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment%2021%20-%20ICE%20Firearms%20and%20Use%20of%20Force%20Directive%20and%20Handbook.pdf
Page 12 includes the following:
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) guidance—specifically, 2014 ICE/Border Patrol use-of-force policies—
“It should be recognized that a half-ounce (200-grain) bullet is unlikely to stop a 4,000-pound moving vehicle, and if the driver … is disabled by a bullet, the vehicle will become a totally unguided threat,” it says. “Obviously, shooting at a moving vehicle can pose a risk to bystanders including other agents.”
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-border-killings-20140227-story.html
It's all related to a problem known as "officer created jeopardy," which involves an officer intentionally stepping in front of a moving vehicle to create an excuse for deadly force. It's been affirmed as a defense for drivers in SCOTUS Barnes v. Felix 2025.
This problem is why the DoJ's own use-of-force policy says that agents may not fire at a moving car that is threatening them unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”
In this case, Officer Jonathan Ross stepped out of the path of the moving vehicle -- the EXACT means of defense the DoJ cites -- and after defending himself, fired three shots as the vehicle was passing by.
I'll also cite the the 110 page ICE Firearms and Use of Force Handbook
https://imlive.s3.amazonaws.com/Federal%20Government/ID255426897069329047495080324203699905714/2.2.1_Attachment%2021%20-%20ICE%20Firearms%20and%20Use%20of%20Force%20Directive%20and%20Handbook.pdf
Page 12 includes the following:
4) Deadly force is not authorized solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect. Deadly force against a fleeing subject is only authorized if there is probable cause to believe that the escape of the suspect would pose an imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury to the officer or another person.
Jackrules · 56-60
she was a professional protester, I wonder who is paying her to leave her kids at home and go to other state to protest and break the law.
She was impeding federal officers and ignoring the commands. Who has the right to do that?
A witness reported that she was obstructing them all day.
How on earth can you justify blocking the arrest and removal of a child molester?
The rest of the story not being told, this woman spent her time prior to the incident impeding the same officers and blocking their vehicles with hers!
She was impeding federal officers and ignoring the commands. Who has the right to do that?
A witness reported that she was obstructing them all day.
How on earth can you justify blocking the arrest and removal of a child molester?
The rest of the story not being told, this woman spent her time prior to the incident impeding the same officers and blocking their vehicles with hers!
Magicianzini · M
She also revved her wheels prior. I don't understand what part of "drive at a federal agent without stopping and you get shot" some people aren't getting.
Are some people really that sheltered??
Are some people really that sheltered??
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Magicianzini · M
@ElwoodBlues Watch more vids.. the ones with angles and SOUND.
ElwoodBlues · M
@Magicianzini There is a law enforcement pattern known as "officer created jeopardy," which is way too common in vehicle stops. It involves an officer intentionally stepping in front of a moving vehicle to create an excuse for deadly force. It's been affirmed as a defense for drivers in SCOTUS Barnes v. Felix 2025.
This pattern is why the DoJ's own use-of-force policy says that agents may not fire at a moving car that is threatening them unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”
In this case, Officer Jonathan Ross stepped out of the path of the moving vehicle -- the EXACT means of defense the DoJ cites -- and after defending himself, fired three shots as the vehicle was passing by.
There are 3 different videos out there including Ross's; I've watched them all with sound and in slo-mo. And I heard what Officer Ross said after he shot the woman three times as she was driving by.
This pattern is why the DoJ's own use-of-force policy says that agents may not fire at a moving car that is threatening them unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”
In this case, Officer Jonathan Ross stepped out of the path of the moving vehicle -- the EXACT means of defense the DoJ cites -- and after defending himself, fired three shots as the vehicle was passing by.
There are 3 different videos out there including Ross's; I've watched them all with sound and in slo-mo. And I heard what Officer Ross said after he shot the woman three times as she was driving by.
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IM5688 · 70-79, M
@HotPizza71 You can't see why she had to be shot dead, but you also can't see why she did not follow the request/orders of a federal officer.
ElwoodBlues · M
@IM5688 The federal officers had already asked Renee Good to leave, and she was doing so. One of the videos is from ICE thug Jonathan Ross's own phone. Ross walked in front of a vehicle making a K-turn with his gun in one hand while shooting video with the other hand. He was not paying full attention to his job. Ross put himself in jeopardy with his inattention, and is now blaming the victim. SAD!
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FreestyleArt · 36-40, M
Hhhmmm three Israeli agents reported it.....seems kind of sus to me.
Wonder what they've been up too before then?
Wonder what they've been up too before then?
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