Magicianzini · M
The truth is, it's after birth. How far after birth depends on who you ask. Some say months, others a year, but less say over 2 yrs.
emiliya · 26-30, F
@Magicianzini Are you kidding?
Magicianzini · M
@emiliya How I wish I was 😫
Ontheroad · M
I admit it is not murder. So yeah, if you aren't born it isn't murder. And if you believe it is that gives you no right to question my beliefs.
Now, let's talk about facts, not beliefs. What are the pro-life people doing about the millions of unwanted children who are abused, killed, go hungry, get raped, and live a life of pure hell? What about all the children who have to live on the streets because they are unwanted?
Answer that - those are facts. Get your head out of your bum and get real.
Now, let's talk about facts, not beliefs. What are the pro-life people doing about the millions of unwanted children who are abused, killed, go hungry, get raped, and live a life of pure hell? What about all the children who have to live on the streets because they are unwanted?
Answer that - those are facts. Get your head out of your bum and get real.
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@JimboSaturn "They do nothing to help unwanted children. I don't know a single pro-life person who has adopted a child, or helped a mother in need." - Jimbo
Oh, so because YOU don't know of anyone like that personally, those people simply do not exist. Right, great logic there! LOL 🙄
And unwanted children at least have one huge advantage over those who were killed; they're still alive. That means that even if no one adopts them, they can still potentially go on to lead a fantastic life. People like you would rather just kill them, because it's easier.
Oh, so because YOU don't know of anyone like that personally, those people simply do not exist. Right, great logic there! LOL 🙄
And unwanted children at least have one huge advantage over those who were killed; they're still alive. That means that even if no one adopts them, they can still potentially go on to lead a fantastic life. People like you would rather just kill them, because it's easier.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@DLight My family works for a pro life group and none of their efforts include helping mothers. Also reviewing other pro life groups websites, I see none of them help mothers or do anything to be part of the solution.
Being alive isn't everything that is important. If you live in a bubble, you migth think that is so.
Also you know nothing about me so your "people like you" nonsense doesn't hold water. I do not love abortion or think it is the optimal situation. In fact I think it is the action of last resort. This is why I'm appalled by these pro life groups who are anti-contraception as well.
Tell me what have you done to be part of the solution ?
Being alive isn't everything that is important. If you live in a bubble, you migth think that is so.
Also you know nothing about me so your "people like you" nonsense doesn't hold water. I do not love abortion or think it is the optimal situation. In fact I think it is the action of last resort. This is why I'm appalled by these pro life groups who are anti-contraception as well.
Tell me what have you done to be part of the solution ?
@JimboSaturn Being alive isn't everything that is important? Really? Are you sure about that?
Being alive is the most important thing there could possibly be for anyone on this Earth. What are you talking about?
As for your family that works for a pro-life group that refuses to do anything to help mothers, well, I don't know what's going on there. What kind of help do you think they should offer? Financial support?
And which pro-life groups are against contraception? I can't think of any. Name one.
Being alive is the most important thing there could possibly be for anyone on this Earth. What are you talking about?
As for your family that works for a pro-life group that refuses to do anything to help mothers, well, I don't know what's going on there. What kind of help do you think they should offer? Financial support?
And which pro-life groups are against contraception? I can't think of any. Name one.
BlueVeins · 26-30
2 part answer for this --
1) The thing that makes a human being morally valuable is our sentience. We can think, feel, experience, perceive things. The evidence we have suggests that a fetus probably isn't sentient in the first trimester, so killing them at that point doesn't really warrant moral consideration (intrinsically).
2) Even if and when killing a fetus is morally wrong, that doesn't mean it should be illegal. Pregnancy and birthing a child is pretty traumatic to the body and it can be a massive imposition emotionally. Asking a woman to carry a pregnancy to term when she doesn't want to is not a reasonable request from the perspective of the State.
Given how delicate the situation is, I think even applying social pressure and shame causes more harm than good.
1) The thing that makes a human being morally valuable is our sentience. We can think, feel, experience, perceive things. The evidence we have suggests that a fetus probably isn't sentient in the first trimester, so killing them at that point doesn't really warrant moral consideration (intrinsically).
2) Even if and when killing a fetus is morally wrong, that doesn't mean it should be illegal. Pregnancy and birthing a child is pretty traumatic to the body and it can be a massive imposition emotionally. Asking a woman to carry a pregnancy to term when she doesn't want to is not a reasonable request from the perspective of the State.
Given how delicate the situation is, I think even applying social pressure and shame causes more harm than good.
BlueVeins · 26-30
@DLight If someone's permanently unconscious and can't be revived, I think it's fine to kill them yeah. Frankly preferable in most cases as long as you're respecting the family's time to say goodbye. Past a point, keeping them alive is just wasting medical resources that could go towards patients who have hope.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@BlueVeins I agree there is a difference between a human being and human cells.
Theyitis · 36-40, M
At the point that it becomes viable outside the womb. It is wrong to abort a fetus if you can, at that moment, simply deliver it instead. And guess what? Doctors already do that.
Theyitis · 36-40, M
@Magicianzini What about when a woman is denied an abortion that would have saved her life? Does that count as double murder? Do you not consider life that is already here to be more important than life that’s not here yet?
emiliya · 26-30, F
@Theyitis A five-week-old fetus is a living human. What is not viable about that? A fetus at 24 weeks has grown but is still too small to survive without incubators and blood transfusions. A fetus that is born between 37 and 42 weeks needs the milk of its mother and has to be wrapped like it is still in the womb.
Breathing on our own means nothing if we are left to die. Even you would stop breathing without the rest of mankind to keep you alive. Or are you a wild beast?
Breathing on our own means nothing if we are left to die. Even you would stop breathing without the rest of mankind to keep you alive. Or are you a wild beast?
Magicianzini · M
@Theyitis No one in the medical community could or would ever do that. An abortion would be ordered as necessary in the cases you're talking about. Also, in your scenario, both lives are already here. It's just one we can quickly see, the other is inside of someone's body and we need more time to see.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
Northwest · M
A Question That No Pro-Death Abortionist Seems to Want to Answer
And how do you know that? Ignorance is not proof your argument is correct, it simply means you're not well informed, either on purpose or just because you're not.
And my personal feelings about this issue are not the issue.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
Midlifemale · 61-69, M
Its simply murder and they will try to justify it anyway they see fit for that pregnant girl.
Midlifemale · 61-69, M
@Richard65 its still murder and illegal.
Unless it endangers the life of the girl or its incest or rape
Unless it endangers the life of the girl or its incest or rape
Richard65 · M
@Midlifemale rape or incest? Why should that matter? Murder is murder, right. You oppose the death penalty too, then?
Midlifemale · 61-69, M
@Richard65 wow, you really don't know the abortion rules and arguments now or in the past decades, do you.
This conversation is not worth my time. Goodbye
This conversation is not worth my time. Goodbye
CurrentName · 51-55, M
Seems like you are answering your own question and are just looking for an argument.
CurrentName · 51-55, M
@DLight
You just proved my case my friend.
You just proved my case my friend.
CurrentName · 51-55, M
@DLight
And just so you know how blind you are. I actually have many reservations about it.
And just so you know how blind you are. I actually have many reservations about it.
@CurrentName How am I "answering my own question"? You're not even making any sense. And when you say you "have reservations about it", does that mean you actually support it in spite of those "reservations"?