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Moon3624 · 22-25, F
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There is no such thing as “ Middle East “ though 😂 The term Middle East is a made up British term to refer to a rough geographical area that lay somewhere in the Middle East of Britain . Trying to downplay the fact that Zionism is a settler colonial project because some of the Israeli settlers come from the “ Middle East “ doesn’t change the fact they are settlers who still came from abroad to a land that isn’t theirs and joined a displacement project.
Also Israel was created by a colonial European Jewish movement not by “mizrahi” Jews
“Mizrahi” Jews only came within decades after Israel was created because Israel needed loyal soldiers to fight against the locals birth rate this was facilitated by raising anti Jewish sentiment after the nakba, Zionist terrorist attacks in the region to scare “mizrahi” Jews into migrating , and bad living conditions due to civil wars and problems which resulted to Christians Muslims and Jews to migrate in their millions outside of their homes for example there are more Lebanese outside of Lebanon than in it.
So even without “mizrahi” Jews Israel would have existed today either way .
Also no matter how much you try to deny the fact that Zionism is a settler colonial project
The founders of Zionism itself defined it as a colonial project so do I reject the word of the founders of Zionism and believe you ?
😂😂
Now when you say “mizrahi” which is modern made up term . what do you mean?
Because for example Yemeni Jews are literally south Semitic people ( modern Yemenis ) who converted to Judaism during the Himyarite kingdom .
They have nothing to do with that land 😂
I’m not sure if you are aware but there was a point in history when Yemenis converted to Judaism and it was the dominant religion in Yemen. Yemenite Jews are just Yemenis who did not convert to Islam later on when Islam came to Yemen.
In fact before Zionism brainwashing if you asked Yemenite Jews about their tribe they’d give you their tribe and it would be a Yemeni Arabian tribe nothing to do with that non sense of yours
For example these are Yemenite Jews who live in the UK , they literally refer to themselves as Jews from the tribe of khawlan:
This is a Yemeni Jewish boy In Israel his mom ask him what are you ?
He literally answers “khawlan” even the rhythms and song she’s singing is traditional Yemeni song
Khawlan is an ancient Arabian tribe going all the way back to Himyarite times Today They primarily live in Yemen and south Saudi an are mostly Muslim
Theyr not a separate race or ethnic group 😂 theyr just a different religion ( Judaism )
There is no such thing as “ Middle East “ though 😂 The term Middle East is a made up British term to refer to a rough geographical area that lay somewhere in the Middle East of Britain . Trying to downplay the fact that Zionism is a settler colonial project because some of the Israeli settlers come from the “ Middle East “ doesn’t change the fact they are settlers who still came from abroad to a land that isn’t theirs and joined a displacement project.
Also Israel was created by a colonial European Jewish movement not by “mizrahi” Jews
“Mizrahi” Jews only came within decades after Israel was created because Israel needed loyal soldiers to fight against the locals birth rate this was facilitated by raising anti Jewish sentiment after the nakba, Zionist terrorist attacks in the region to scare “mizrahi” Jews into migrating , and bad living conditions due to civil wars and problems which resulted to Christians Muslims and Jews to migrate in their millions outside of their homes for example there are more Lebanese outside of Lebanon than in it.
So even without “mizrahi” Jews Israel would have existed today either way .
Also no matter how much you try to deny the fact that Zionism is a settler colonial project
The founders of Zionism itself defined it as a colonial project so do I reject the word of the founders of Zionism and believe you ?
😂😂
Now when you say “mizrahi” which is modern made up term . what do you mean?
Because for example Yemeni Jews are literally south Semitic people ( modern Yemenis ) who converted to Judaism during the Himyarite kingdom .
They have nothing to do with that land 😂
I’m not sure if you are aware but there was a point in history when Yemenis converted to Judaism and it was the dominant religion in Yemen. Yemenite Jews are just Yemenis who did not convert to Islam later on when Islam came to Yemen.
In fact before Zionism brainwashing if you asked Yemenite Jews about their tribe they’d give you their tribe and it would be a Yemeni Arabian tribe nothing to do with that non sense of yours
For example these are Yemenite Jews who live in the UK , they literally refer to themselves as Jews from the tribe of khawlan:
This is a Yemeni Jewish boy In Israel his mom ask him what are you ?
He literally answers “khawlan” even the rhythms and song she’s singing is traditional Yemeni song
Khawlan is an ancient Arabian tribe going all the way back to Himyarite times Today They primarily live in Yemen and south Saudi an are mostly Muslim
Theyr not a separate race or ethnic group 😂 theyr just a different religion ( Judaism )
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LeopoldBloom · M
Judaism is an ethno-religion. There have always been atheist and non-observant Jews. In fact, this has been going on for so long, the Hebrew word for it is "apikoros," which derives from the Greek word "epikouros," referring to the philosopher Epicurus, who lived from 341 to 270 BCE. The root of "atheist" is also Greek ("atheos," meaning "without God").
And stop defining other people just because you've read a few books. You wouldn't like it if someone said that Islam's goal is to either forcibly convert all of humanity to Islam and to kill everyone who refuses, even if I can find Muslims who say that. Stop telling Jews what they think.
Zionism is the Jewish people exercising self-determination in their historic homeland. Yes, some early Zionists described it as "colonial," but the word had a different meaning 120 years ago. It simply meant moving somewhere and creating a community. The modern meaning of an imperial metropole extracting resources to be sent back to that same metropole obviously doesn't apply to Israel, so you have to invent a bullshit term like "settler colonialism" which curiously enough, only applies to Israel, and not China sending millions of Han Chinese into Tibet or the USSR sending Russians into the Baltic states, in both cases to dilute the native populations.
Zionism was only a meaningful debate prior to Israel's establishment in 1948. Since then, it's meaningless, only an identity marker signaling whether the speaker thinks Israel should either continue to exist or be obliterated. We don't talk about Ghanaists or Uruguayists since the continued existence of those countries is taken for granted. I would refer to myself as a post-zionist but I'd have to explain what that is every time.
And stop defining other people just because you've read a few books. You wouldn't like it if someone said that Islam's goal is to either forcibly convert all of humanity to Islam and to kill everyone who refuses, even if I can find Muslims who say that. Stop telling Jews what they think.
Zionism is the Jewish people exercising self-determination in their historic homeland. Yes, some early Zionists described it as "colonial," but the word had a different meaning 120 years ago. It simply meant moving somewhere and creating a community. The modern meaning of an imperial metropole extracting resources to be sent back to that same metropole obviously doesn't apply to Israel, so you have to invent a bullshit term like "settler colonialism" which curiously enough, only applies to Israel, and not China sending millions of Han Chinese into Tibet or the USSR sending Russians into the Baltic states, in both cases to dilute the native populations.
Zionism was only a meaningful debate prior to Israel's establishment in 1948. Since then, it's meaningless, only an identity marker signaling whether the speaker thinks Israel should either continue to exist or be obliterated. We don't talk about Ghanaists or Uruguayists since the continued existence of those countries is taken for granted. I would refer to myself as a post-zionist but I'd have to explain what that is every time.
StygianKohlrabi · 46-50, M
I'm not sure why you're putting your senior thesis here for all to read.
Hebrew was not reinvented but it was the language of the scriptures for centuries.
Judaism is a religion but it's also a nation of people. It gains relatively few converts.
The fighting is on both sides. It takes two willing sides to make peace.
The Jews needed a land just like the Arabs. Would you begrudge them that tiny amount of land they have created a nation on? Just one not 22, like the Arab people.
Hebrew was not reinvented but it was the language of the scriptures for centuries.
Judaism is a religion but it's also a nation of people. It gains relatively few converts.
The fighting is on both sides. It takes two willing sides to make peace.
The Jews needed a land just like the Arabs. Would you begrudge them that tiny amount of land they have created a nation on? Just one not 22, like the Arab people.
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StygianKohlrabi · 46-50, M
@Chiefjustice please read Wikipedia or something, you're spouting a bunch of falsities and you haven't spelled one thing right.
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
The isrealites were the real jews, meaning Judah belonged to them basically, according to the bible, which is our best source of documentation from those times. So according to them, they're still the same people, and genetically maybe they are, but they kind of lost the plot. They needed the temple of God in Judah to keep their connection to him, which was destroyed and hasn't been rebuilt for thousands of years. They do have plans on rebuilding it now though.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Reasoning-From-the-Scriptures/Jews/
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Reasoning-From-the-Scriptures/Jews/
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@Moon3624 = There are twelve (12) tribes in the house of Israel. Why does only Judah get a kingdom? Where are the other tribes' kingdoms?
