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Northwest · M
Group A - Muslims, who want to create an Islamic "nation", that follows the rules of pre-Islamic Arabia, specifically in the Levant. This is what's called ISIL or ISIS. They are using their own interpretation of Sharia law, based on parts taken from the Qur'an, Hadith, and their own extension of the "Fuqh".
Group B - Muslims, who want to follow the Muslim family law. This is the part of the Sharia that does not deal with criminal issues. It is different for different branches of Islam. This would include the full application of the family law, and includes polygamy.
Group C - Muslims, who want to follow partial Muslim family law. They do not accept polygamy.
Group D - Muslims, who do not want to follow Muslim family law, and obviously do not want to follow the criminal portions either.
Group E - Muslims who want to fully apply Sharia laws.
Group A - the entire world is fighting this group, and by all accounts, ISIL is losing.
Groups B & C - this would be places like Lebanon, Algeria, Egypt. No countries in this group wants to either wage war, or export Islam. Some people in Group C live in the Western world, and some parts of the Western world, allow, on voluntary basis, arbitration courts. This would be the US and Britain (there may be others). This would be to rule over simple issues, related to marriage, divorce, and inheritance.
Group D - would be places like Turkey and Tunisia.
Group E - Saudi Arabia, and partially in places like the GCC, Afghanistan, Pakistan.
Mixed in, into all this, is cultural issues. A Muslim from Tunisia, is not going to have the same cultural background, as a Muslim from Pakistan. By culture, I mean social habits. The Hijab, is not prescribed by the Qur'an, for instance, so it's found in places where the Hijab, predated Islam.
What does the Western world fear? An influx of people from a different culture? Seeing that this is a Presidential elections year, I am reminded of the 1960 US Presidential elections. JFK, was faced, all over the South, with demonstration, with people carrying signs saying things like "Do you want the Pope to run the White House?", and this was one of the mildest. The KKK, shut down Houston, with crosses burning, and demanding that they keep the Catholics out, as they do not belong.
It turns out that American Catholics, despite the fear uncertainty and doubt, do not really want the Pope to run the White House, and JFK, was not a Trojan Horse. It seems silly that people might have thought in these terms, at the time, but they really did.
Do you fear Islam, because of the terrorist activities of extremists, or because you don't want your grandchildren to have to bend over, five times per day, face Mecca and Pray?
Do you fear Islam, because most of the refugees come from countries where people are not blond and have blue eyes?
Do you fear Islam, just because Muslims are not Christian?
The Unites States, is a country of immigrants. We're not supposed to take religion into account, when figuring our who gets to be American. As a nation, we changed from an Anglo nation, to a multi-cultural, multi-religious nation. Seriously folks, make a small effort, and look up documentaries, books, etc, about the 1960 elections. It should be an eye opener.
MLK's short stay in jail, saved the world from Word War III. How? JFK succeeded, where Nixon failed, at freeing MLK from jail, a short time before the elections. This led MLK, and his father specifically, to put the word out, to vote for JFK. The black vote, won the day for JFK. Two years later, if Nixon had been in the White House, his military entourage, definitely, would have ordered an invasion of Cuba. We now know, that the Soviet commanders in Cuba, had permission, and instructions, to use field nukes to stop the US invasion fleet. The USA would have certainly responded with a full scale nuke exchange.
Do I fear what does not look like me? A lot of us do. I am very uncomfortable when I see a woman in a hijab. I don't react the same way, when I see a nun. I have to work extra, to try to understand my reaction. Partially, it's because I am wondering if she's doing it our of her own free will, but it's also partially because I cannot relate.
We have more than 3M Muslims in the US. For the most part, they are Americans, and do not want to change the nature of this country. You will find bad apples in every group. Example: the Orlando mass murderer. The guy was not a jihadists. If ISIL got hold of him, they would toss him off the roof of a building: he was a closeted gay man. The guy in Nice. He is Tunisian, so probably born a Muslim, but he drank, did drugs, ate pork, and beat the shit out of his wife. He also committed a mass murder.
Timothy McVeigh, was a Catholic Altar boy. He committed a mass murder, killing hundreds, including dozens of children, all in a child care center, at the bottom of the building he bombed. All because he had a couple of loose screws, regardless of the cause he adopted to justify his mass murder.
Accepting that people are different, some do not look like you do, worship like you do, eat like you do, or dress like you do, but are not out to get you, or destroy your culture, does not meant that you're stupid, politically correct, or your head is up your ass.
There are integration problems, but we should start by understanding what that means, and solve these problems. Of course, we can decide to remain "pure".
Group B - Muslims, who want to follow the Muslim family law. This is the part of the Sharia that does not deal with criminal issues. It is different for different branches of Islam. This would include the full application of the family law, and includes polygamy.
Group C - Muslims, who want to follow partial Muslim family law. They do not accept polygamy.
Group D - Muslims, who do not want to follow Muslim family law, and obviously do not want to follow the criminal portions either.
Group E - Muslims who want to fully apply Sharia laws.
Group A - the entire world is fighting this group, and by all accounts, ISIL is losing.
Groups B & C - this would be places like Lebanon, Algeria, Egypt. No countries in this group wants to either wage war, or export Islam. Some people in Group C live in the Western world, and some parts of the Western world, allow, on voluntary basis, arbitration courts. This would be the US and Britain (there may be others). This would be to rule over simple issues, related to marriage, divorce, and inheritance.
Group D - would be places like Turkey and Tunisia.
Group E - Saudi Arabia, and partially in places like the GCC, Afghanistan, Pakistan.
Mixed in, into all this, is cultural issues. A Muslim from Tunisia, is not going to have the same cultural background, as a Muslim from Pakistan. By culture, I mean social habits. The Hijab, is not prescribed by the Qur'an, for instance, so it's found in places where the Hijab, predated Islam.
What does the Western world fear? An influx of people from a different culture? Seeing that this is a Presidential elections year, I am reminded of the 1960 US Presidential elections. JFK, was faced, all over the South, with demonstration, with people carrying signs saying things like "Do you want the Pope to run the White House?", and this was one of the mildest. The KKK, shut down Houston, with crosses burning, and demanding that they keep the Catholics out, as they do not belong.
It turns out that American Catholics, despite the fear uncertainty and doubt, do not really want the Pope to run the White House, and JFK, was not a Trojan Horse. It seems silly that people might have thought in these terms, at the time, but they really did.
Do you fear Islam, because of the terrorist activities of extremists, or because you don't want your grandchildren to have to bend over, five times per day, face Mecca and Pray?
Do you fear Islam, because most of the refugees come from countries where people are not blond and have blue eyes?
Do you fear Islam, just because Muslims are not Christian?
The Unites States, is a country of immigrants. We're not supposed to take religion into account, when figuring our who gets to be American. As a nation, we changed from an Anglo nation, to a multi-cultural, multi-religious nation. Seriously folks, make a small effort, and look up documentaries, books, etc, about the 1960 elections. It should be an eye opener.
MLK's short stay in jail, saved the world from Word War III. How? JFK succeeded, where Nixon failed, at freeing MLK from jail, a short time before the elections. This led MLK, and his father specifically, to put the word out, to vote for JFK. The black vote, won the day for JFK. Two years later, if Nixon had been in the White House, his military entourage, definitely, would have ordered an invasion of Cuba. We now know, that the Soviet commanders in Cuba, had permission, and instructions, to use field nukes to stop the US invasion fleet. The USA would have certainly responded with a full scale nuke exchange.
Do I fear what does not look like me? A lot of us do. I am very uncomfortable when I see a woman in a hijab. I don't react the same way, when I see a nun. I have to work extra, to try to understand my reaction. Partially, it's because I am wondering if she's doing it our of her own free will, but it's also partially because I cannot relate.
We have more than 3M Muslims in the US. For the most part, they are Americans, and do not want to change the nature of this country. You will find bad apples in every group. Example: the Orlando mass murderer. The guy was not a jihadists. If ISIL got hold of him, they would toss him off the roof of a building: he was a closeted gay man. The guy in Nice. He is Tunisian, so probably born a Muslim, but he drank, did drugs, ate pork, and beat the shit out of his wife. He also committed a mass murder.
Timothy McVeigh, was a Catholic Altar boy. He committed a mass murder, killing hundreds, including dozens of children, all in a child care center, at the bottom of the building he bombed. All because he had a couple of loose screws, regardless of the cause he adopted to justify his mass murder.
Accepting that people are different, some do not look like you do, worship like you do, eat like you do, or dress like you do, but are not out to get you, or destroy your culture, does not meant that you're stupid, politically correct, or your head is up your ass.
There are integration problems, but we should start by understanding what that means, and solve these problems. Of course, we can decide to remain "pure".
JakeShade · 61-69, M
good thorough analysis... I don't know if all the details are correct down to the nit but the overall arc of your argument is compelling.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
For all the talk of assimilation and multiculturalism (And I'm talking about Western Europe here) , there remains a significant and growing minority for whom the mores and dictats of their religion command a far greater loyalty than that of any nation state ever could. It's plain to me that the thing that needs to be challenged most is the dogma and tyranny of the religion itself. God is not great , he is just a convenient excuse used by psycopaths to instil fear and obedience.
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Northwest · M
@InvaderNice says: "Northwest, something you said actually got me questioning myself, but I'm asking Voyelle about it instead since you're a jerk. If you ever decide to argue respectfully, get back to me."
When you stepped into this conversation, using derogatory terms like "raghead", trying to make excuses for men who rape drunken women (in your own words: they are irresponsible for drinking in the first place), and showing such disdain for women, as clear from your quip about women ruling the world, you lost the right to be treated with respect.
It's that simple.
We have a serious problem, called campus rape. tens of thousands of women, every year, get raped on US college campuses. Perpetrators get off, by claiming that she was asking for it. A woman should be able to have a drink, or even get drunk, and not expect to be raped on a college campus. Those who raise an alarm, are accused of political correctness. What if it was your sister, your girlfriend?
There is nothing lower than a man who makes excuses for this kind of behavior, and then sweeps protests under the rug, as political correctness.
For someone, who keeps promising, that he's done with the conversation, it's really funny how you keep coming back, again, and again, and again.
It's really sad that a man aged 18-21, still thinks this way. Really, really sad. Also, what makes you think I'm competing for your attention? Get over yourself, and do what you've already said you were going to do, three times already.
Shame, shame, shame. You should really read the letter done by the rape victim. Vice President Joe Biden, read it to the nation. Perhaps you'll learn what it means to provide consent.
Shame, shame, shame.
When you stepped into this conversation, using derogatory terms like "raghead", trying to make excuses for men who rape drunken women (in your own words: they are irresponsible for drinking in the first place), and showing such disdain for women, as clear from your quip about women ruling the world, you lost the right to be treated with respect.
It's that simple.
We have a serious problem, called campus rape. tens of thousands of women, every year, get raped on US college campuses. Perpetrators get off, by claiming that she was asking for it. A woman should be able to have a drink, or even get drunk, and not expect to be raped on a college campus. Those who raise an alarm, are accused of political correctness. What if it was your sister, your girlfriend?
There is nothing lower than a man who makes excuses for this kind of behavior, and then sweeps protests under the rug, as political correctness.
For someone, who keeps promising, that he's done with the conversation, it's really funny how you keep coming back, again, and again, and again.
It's really sad that a man aged 18-21, still thinks this way. Really, really sad. Also, what makes you think I'm competing for your attention? Get over yourself, and do what you've already said you were going to do, three times already.
Shame, shame, shame. You should really read the letter done by the rape victim. Vice President Joe Biden, read it to the nation. Perhaps you'll learn what it means to provide consent.
Shame, shame, shame.
SoFine · 46-50, F
You said You cannot have totally different nation within a nation: it always leads to clashes at the least, war at the worst.
My reply to you:
Human kind have been at war from the beginning of time. The difference is the weapons that is used. People have fought over land/food have and always will.
Yet even in war, more people are killed by the elements. Elements like, rats that spread disease “The Black Plague” and mosquitoes in Africa/Asia.
The goal is to get along with those we disagree with and there are many we disagree with.
People will fight to be “RIGHT” they hold their view high above anything else. They will die for their view even if it is not tested and accurate.
My reply to you:
Human kind have been at war from the beginning of time. The difference is the weapons that is used. People have fought over land/food have and always will.
Yet even in war, more people are killed by the elements. Elements like, rats that spread disease “The Black Plague” and mosquitoes in Africa/Asia.
The goal is to get along with those we disagree with and there are many we disagree with.
People will fight to be “RIGHT” they hold their view high above anything else. They will die for their view even if it is not tested and accurate.
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@voyelle: thank you for talking about this...
When it comes to extremists, religion becomes an ideology, and the most dangerous thing in the World is extremists, using religion as ideology..
When it comes to politic and benefits from it, then government like Saudi Arabia use that ideology based on religion as a tool and add it to another tool, which is media, and add it again to another tool, which is ignorant and make it a very very very dangerous tool called terrorism.
Do you believe that all Muslims and Islamic World are that extrim??
When it comes to extremists, religion becomes an ideology, and the most dangerous thing in the World is extremists, using religion as ideology..
When it comes to politic and benefits from it, then government like Saudi Arabia use that ideology based on religion as a tool and add it to another tool, which is media, and add it again to another tool, which is ignorant and make it a very very very dangerous tool called terrorism.
Do you believe that all Muslims and Islamic World are that extrim??
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Northwest · M
@InvaderNice says:
[quote]A terrorist looks like a raghead, and a raghead is a person of Islamic descent who wears a rag on their head. People dressed like that should not blame others for their fear because it DOES look like a terrorist. That's not hatemongering, [b]that's just learning[/b].[/quote]
The bold is my emphasis. It's the height of irony, when you use the term learning, when you show so much ignorance. The Headdress, is not a religious garment. It's cultural/regional, worn in the Levant, where less than 10% of the world's Muslims live. The other 1.5B Muslims, do not wear a headdress. You should start by learning something.
As to the following statement:
[quote]if she willingly drinks, and then has sex, that's just irresponsible on her part.[/quote]
I am going to let it speak for itself.
If you were abused/raped, then I feel for you, but for someone who claims to have been rape, to blame the victim, because she's asking for it, would he the height of hypocrisy. If you still don't realize how wrong your statement is, then I feel sorry for women around you.
One more time: when a woman drinks, she's not asking to be raped, and she CANNOT grant consent, if she's not in full possession of her faculties. How difficult is this to understand? But, you don't seem to have any problems blaming the victim, and instead of backing off, you're doubling down on it. Your position is no different from those who blame the victim, because of what she's wearing, the time of day, etc. How is that different from what the justifications they're using in Germany? It's not different.
[quote]A terrorist looks like a raghead, and a raghead is a person of Islamic descent who wears a rag on their head. People dressed like that should not blame others for their fear because it DOES look like a terrorist. That's not hatemongering, [b]that's just learning[/b].[/quote]
The bold is my emphasis. It's the height of irony, when you use the term learning, when you show so much ignorance. The Headdress, is not a religious garment. It's cultural/regional, worn in the Levant, where less than 10% of the world's Muslims live. The other 1.5B Muslims, do not wear a headdress. You should start by learning something.
As to the following statement:
[quote]if she willingly drinks, and then has sex, that's just irresponsible on her part.[/quote]
I am going to let it speak for itself.
If you were abused/raped, then I feel for you, but for someone who claims to have been rape, to blame the victim, because she's asking for it, would he the height of hypocrisy. If you still don't realize how wrong your statement is, then I feel sorry for women around you.
One more time: when a woman drinks, she's not asking to be raped, and she CANNOT grant consent, if she's not in full possession of her faculties. How difficult is this to understand? But, you don't seem to have any problems blaming the victim, and instead of backing off, you're doubling down on it. Your position is no different from those who blame the victim, because of what she's wearing, the time of day, etc. How is that different from what the justifications they're using in Germany? It's not different.
Northwest · M
@voyelle: There are two possibilities here.
1. You read my post, and this is your response.
2. You did not read my response, and you simply a response out of your hat.
I dedicated one line, in my response, to the raghead comment, and most of it to the following comment from him: "I'm protecting people who are accused of rape because a drunk girl has sex with them"
What if it were you, drunk and getting raped?
What if it was your sister?
What if it was your daughter?
It's amazing to me, that you would ignore this comment, and give him a pat on the back. Do you think that a drunk woman is capable of consent? Do you think she's asking for it, because she had a few drinks?
What the hell are you lecturing me about?
You want to profile? How? He said that they look like terrorists. What does that mean? We're a country of immigrants. What does a terrorist look like?
I suggest you read posts, and in your response, stick to the topic, and not respond to things I did not say.
The real world? the real world I live in, 1 out of 5 girls get raped in school, by boys, with the same attitude, as your buddy Invader friend. It seems as if he believes they're asking for it. How does that make him different from the animals doing the rapes in Europe? or for that matter, you, who are defending him, and telling me that he's misunderstood.
I want every rapist punished, and I don't want some asshole, like your friend here, to be able to claim that she was asking for it, because she had a few drinks, so she deserves to be raped. Get over yourself!
1. You read my post, and this is your response.
2. You did not read my response, and you simply a response out of your hat.
I dedicated one line, in my response, to the raghead comment, and most of it to the following comment from him: "I'm protecting people who are accused of rape because a drunk girl has sex with them"
What if it were you, drunk and getting raped?
What if it was your sister?
What if it was your daughter?
It's amazing to me, that you would ignore this comment, and give him a pat on the back. Do you think that a drunk woman is capable of consent? Do you think she's asking for it, because she had a few drinks?
What the hell are you lecturing me about?
You want to profile? How? He said that they look like terrorists. What does that mean? We're a country of immigrants. What does a terrorist look like?
I suggest you read posts, and in your response, stick to the topic, and not respond to things I did not say.
The real world? the real world I live in, 1 out of 5 girls get raped in school, by boys, with the same attitude, as your buddy Invader friend. It seems as if he believes they're asking for it. How does that make him different from the animals doing the rapes in Europe? or for that matter, you, who are defending him, and telling me that he's misunderstood.
I want every rapist punished, and I don't want some asshole, like your friend here, to be able to claim that she was asking for it, because she had a few drinks, so she deserves to be raped. Get over yourself!
InvaderNice · 26-30, M
Lol Northwest, I'm telling you why I'm stopping. You don't tell me. You're like my brother: you don't listen, you just talk, and all you care about is seeming right.
If a woman wears a short skirt or leaves her door unlocked and gets raped, it's not her fault. If she gets drunk and has sex, it's just as much rape as it is if I get drunk and have sex, i.e. not rape at all.
I hate ragheads, deport illegal immigrants.
And if I were to get to what you call a "human level" I would be saying things like, "Haha, you're an idiot who supports terrorism and wants women to rule the world."
Go take your 4-year-old politics somewhere else. I don't care if you think I'm bested, doesn't change the world. *Clicks on my windshield wipers* Bye
If a woman wears a short skirt or leaves her door unlocked and gets raped, it's not her fault. If she gets drunk and has sex, it's just as much rape as it is if I get drunk and have sex, i.e. not rape at all.
I hate ragheads, deport illegal immigrants.
And if I were to get to what you call a "human level" I would be saying things like, "Haha, you're an idiot who supports terrorism and wants women to rule the world."
Go take your 4-year-old politics somewhere else. I don't care if you think I'm bested, doesn't change the world. *Clicks on my windshield wipers* Bye
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Northwest · M
@InvaderNice: you are a hatemonger, and a dick.
Please, allow me to explain:
When you say "because a drunk girl has sex with them or because they have consensual sex with a woman and then leave her..."
This tells the whole world, that you're a dick. Who's your idol? Bill Cosby? A girl cannot provide consent, if she's drunk, you fucking piece of shit. Yes, it's that simple, and this is not PC. Don't try to soft-pitch rape, as "she was drunk". I sure hope that you're not a representative of he 18-21 college crowd.
When you say "raghead" and "you're about to get selected because you look like a terrorist", that tells me that you're a hatemonger. What does a terrorist look like? What's a raghead? a term of endearment?
Please, allow me to explain:
When you say "because a drunk girl has sex with them or because they have consensual sex with a woman and then leave her..."
This tells the whole world, that you're a dick. Who's your idol? Bill Cosby? A girl cannot provide consent, if she's drunk, you fucking piece of shit. Yes, it's that simple, and this is not PC. Don't try to soft-pitch rape, as "she was drunk". I sure hope that you're not a representative of he 18-21 college crowd.
When you say "raghead" and "you're about to get selected because you look like a terrorist", that tells me that you're a hatemonger. What does a terrorist look like? What's a raghead? a term of endearment?
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InvaderNice · 26-30, M
Northwest · M
@InvaderNice: For someone who says things like "My thoughts: No, you're about to get selected because you look like a terrorist." and "raghead", and then say "You use a lot of name calling and hostility."
Now, that's rich!
You're stopping, because someone who lays the blame on a rape victim, because she should have have been responsible enough, and not drink, has no valid argument to make.
Are you going to blame the rape victim, who forgets to lock her door?
Why don't you go, and get yourself up to normal human level, before you post here.
Now, that's rich!
You're stopping, because someone who lays the blame on a rape victim, because she should have have been responsible enough, and not drink, has no valid argument to make.
Are you going to blame the rape victim, who forgets to lock her door?
Why don't you go, and get yourself up to normal human level, before you post here.
InvaderNice · 26-30, M
Yep, PC is BS. People make up terms like "islamaphobe", "homophobe", "hate speech", etc., and overuse words like "racist", "rape", etc., because having a term for something makes it sound more paradigmatic harder to argue with. I don't give a shit. Deport illegal immigrants.
And no, I'm not protecting rapists. I'm protecting people who are accused of rape because a drunk girl has sex with them or because they have consensual sex with a woman and then leave her.
And no, I'm not protecting rapists. I'm protecting people who are accused of rape because a drunk girl has sex with them or because they have consensual sex with a woman and then leave her.
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Alternative please..
@berangere:
we have already spoken about your bigotry ideas and the hate videos you post. Thank you. You, too, are speaking out of context.
I am sorry that some people giving their thoughts and opinions about this post have been blocked. This is supposed to be a post where people should talk their views without being deleted, muted, or blocked.
It might also be of interest to you to know that Voyelle, with all my respect, picks on the US and European government, where she claims her own country is being invaded by Muslims. I believe posts like this should aim her own government before anybody else's.
I expected more from Voyelle... Still do.
we have already spoken about your bigotry ideas and the hate videos you post. Thank you. You, too, are speaking out of context.
I am sorry that some people giving their thoughts and opinions about this post have been blocked. This is supposed to be a post where people should talk their views without being deleted, muted, or blocked.
It might also be of interest to you to know that Voyelle, with all my respect, picks on the US and European government, where she claims her own country is being invaded by Muslims. I believe posts like this should aim her own government before anybody else's.
I expected more from Voyelle... Still do.
berangere · 80-89, F
@Soossie: Please stop calling me a bigot,this is NOT what I am,it is also very rude,if you don't like the videos I post it is because they are telling the truth and that bothers you,that is if you take the time to watch them!
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InvaderNice · 26-30, M
Northwest, literally half of that post was judgment and not fact. I'll reply to the parts that didn't involve words like "dick".
Lol! "A girl cannot provide consent if she's drunk"? Uh, yeah she can. Just like a guy can. If I get drunk and have sex, was it rape? Nope. If someone forces a woman to get drunk against her will so that she passes out or can't defend herself, that's rape. But if she willingly drinks, and then has sex, that's just irresponsible on her part. Don't act like I'm insensitive to rape. I've had plenty of sexually abused and/or raped friends, and I myself have been sexually abused and raped. It's terrible... WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
About the raghead comment, I knew someone was gonna try to snag me on that but I posted it anyway. I will directly answer the questions you asked. A terrorist looks like a raghead, and a raghead is a person of Islamic descent who wears a rag on their head. People dressed like that should not blame others for their fear because it DOES look like a terrorist. That's not hatemongering, that's just learning.
Lol! "A girl cannot provide consent if she's drunk"? Uh, yeah she can. Just like a guy can. If I get drunk and have sex, was it rape? Nope. If someone forces a woman to get drunk against her will so that she passes out or can't defend herself, that's rape. But if she willingly drinks, and then has sex, that's just irresponsible on her part. Don't act like I'm insensitive to rape. I've had plenty of sexually abused and/or raped friends, and I myself have been sexually abused and raped. It's terrible... WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
About the raghead comment, I knew someone was gonna try to snag me on that but I posted it anyway. I will directly answer the questions you asked. A terrorist looks like a raghead, and a raghead is a person of Islamic descent who wears a rag on their head. People dressed like that should not blame others for their fear because it DOES look like a terrorist. That's not hatemongering, that's just learning.
Northwest · M
PS: We also need to separate the real, from the rumor mill. You earlier posted something about witnesses, hearing the Nice mass murderer, shout Allah Akbar. If you think about it for a minute, you'll see what this is not possible. The guy was driving a 20 ton truck, full speed, mowing people down, with his windows up, shouting and screaming all over the place.
Given this scenario, do you think that anyone could have heard what he was saying? He could have playing a loud stereo in that truck, and no one would be able to hear it.
Trying it for yourself. Sit in your car, roll up the window, and drive at 5MPH, not 60 or 70. Try to shout, at the top of your lung, as you're passing someone, then come back and ask if they heard what you said.
I am not saying that the guy may not have been quickly radicalized, but it's also important to separate fact from fiction.
Women, especially, have a lot of reasons to fear Islam, but the refugees, include a lot of women, fleeing extremists.
Given this scenario, do you think that anyone could have heard what he was saying? He could have playing a loud stereo in that truck, and no one would be able to hear it.
Trying it for yourself. Sit in your car, roll up the window, and drive at 5MPH, not 60 or 70. Try to shout, at the top of your lung, as you're passing someone, then come back and ask if they heard what you said.
I am not saying that the guy may not have been quickly radicalized, but it's also important to separate fact from fiction.
Women, especially, have a lot of reasons to fear Islam, but the refugees, include a lot of women, fleeing extremists.
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Northwest · M
@Invader: Have you read Don Quixote? You should, it fits you.
So, then your own brother doesn't think much of your opinions. Glad to know it's not just the rest of us.
Here's what Neanderthal brain is not processing: unless you have consent, it is called rape. I understand how this confuses you, perhaps you think the only way you can have sex, is if the woman is drunk. That would still be rape.
You hate tagheads. Ok, you are a bigot.
"Deport illegal immigrants" in case you have noticed, most illegal immigrants are Hispanics.
As to me wanting women to rule the world, this statement of yours speaks volumes about the kind of person you are. Not that you need to try hard... I would advise you to let this statement sink in, but you will probably not get it.
Yes, you keep saying you're out of here, but you keep coming back to double down on stupidity. Is Trump you idol?
So, then your own brother doesn't think much of your opinions. Glad to know it's not just the rest of us.
Here's what Neanderthal brain is not processing: unless you have consent, it is called rape. I understand how this confuses you, perhaps you think the only way you can have sex, is if the woman is drunk. That would still be rape.
You hate tagheads. Ok, you are a bigot.
"Deport illegal immigrants" in case you have noticed, most illegal immigrants are Hispanics.
As to me wanting women to rule the world, this statement of yours speaks volumes about the kind of person you are. Not that you need to try hard... I would advise you to let this statement sink in, but you will probably not get it.
Yes, you keep saying you're out of here, but you keep coming back to double down on stupidity. Is Trump you idol?
Northwest · M
@Voyelle: I don't know what you mean by "all was predicted and said 50 years ago and booed.."
Can you be more specific?
What's causing additional issues now, is the refugee crisis, caused by the actions of extremists in the Levant, as well as the actions of a dictator in Syria.
France, for instance, has issues with immigrants from North Africa. These issues are very similar to what we have in the US, in urban areas, with public housing (black, Puerto Riccan, Dominican, South Americans), where we have a very high level of violence, drug trade, etc. and the average person would not feel safe walking around.
I've seen that in Marseilles, but I've always felt that the drug trade, and socio-economics, are what's behind it.
I've been to London dozens of times, but my experience there is limited to nicer neighborhoods.
Can you be more specific?
What's causing additional issues now, is the refugee crisis, caused by the actions of extremists in the Levant, as well as the actions of a dictator in Syria.
France, for instance, has issues with immigrants from North Africa. These issues are very similar to what we have in the US, in urban areas, with public housing (black, Puerto Riccan, Dominican, South Americans), where we have a very high level of violence, drug trade, etc. and the average person would not feel safe walking around.
I've seen that in Marseilles, but I've always felt that the drug trade, and socio-economics, are what's behind it.
I've been to London dozens of times, but my experience there is limited to nicer neighborhoods.
berangere · 80-89, F
voyelle@ He does exactly the same things to me,he puts things in such an ambiguous manner that you can easily misunderstand them,then if you do he quickly points that out to you! He also is very good at obfuscation,using rhetoric and semantic,even referring to things that are not even relevant to what is actually being debated about,he tries his best to confuse you and make you look foolish and he certainly claims you said what you did not say! He systematically discredits anything you put forward to validate your point and yes he aims at discouraging people and calling them "bigots", from voicing their concerns about the Islamic ideology that is causing so much destruction and grief around the world and WHY would he be doing that,I wonder?
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JakeShade · 61-69, M
It is extremism, radicalism, fundamentalism. Some ideologies might be more suitable for extremism but I think it is the extremism that is key, with the specific ideology merely shaping how it is expressed.
Right now, Islam is in the focus because of all the harshness that has come down in their territory... but if we turned up the same kind of pressure among other religions we would see the same kind of radical/extreme/fundamentalism.
Every "sacred text" is full of stone-age barbaric unctions. Scratch a good fundamentalist Christian or Jew and you will find similar levels of extremism waiting to jump out. Or Sikh, or Hindu, or Zoroastrian, or Taoist, or Shinto, or Nichiren, or ...
Right now, Islam is in the focus because of all the harshness that has come down in their territory... but if we turned up the same kind of pressure among other religions we would see the same kind of radical/extreme/fundamentalism.
Every "sacred text" is full of stone-age barbaric unctions. Scratch a good fundamentalist Christian or Jew and you will find similar levels of extremism waiting to jump out. Or Sikh, or Hindu, or Zoroastrian, or Taoist, or Shinto, or Nichiren, or ...
InvaderNice · 26-30, M
Yes Voyelle. A raghead posted a picture on the internet at an airport next to a security guard. The picture was captioned: "About to get randomly selected."
My thoughts: No, you're about to get selected because you look like a terrorist.
My thoughts: No, you're about to get selected because you look like a terrorist.
Northwest · M
@voyelle: "white men are evil"
I said that? where? You are hallucinating. It's like that other claim you made, about the British press, using David instead of Ali, or the French press not reporting the truth.
You seem to imagine, or invent things, to support your bigoted opinions.
"feminist propaganda of rape culture"
"Campus rape ??? seriously ????????"
Here's some reading for you: http://bit.ly/2aGBSRG
"am out of words...I thought only 12 year olds still bought in that propaganda.."
Yes, you are out of words. You are out of any words that make any sense at all. What planet do you live on? You would have to be living under a rock, to ignore the campus rape issue.
I said that? where? You are hallucinating. It's like that other claim you made, about the British press, using David instead of Ali, or the French press not reporting the truth.
You seem to imagine, or invent things, to support your bigoted opinions.
"feminist propaganda of rape culture"
"Campus rape ??? seriously ????????"
Here's some reading for you: http://bit.ly/2aGBSRG
"am out of words...I thought only 12 year olds still bought in that propaganda.."
Yes, you are out of words. You are out of any words that make any sense at all. What planet do you live on? You would have to be living under a rock, to ignore the campus rape issue.
berangere · 80-89, F
jakeShade. All other religions are NOT actually a threat at this moment in time,Islam IS and Islam is not actually a religion but an Ideology and a very dangerous one.
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjpcp4gESsU]
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjpcp4gESsU]
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Northwest · M
@Voyelle: I am living in a reality, called campus rape. In the real world, male students make sure female students are drunk, and then they assault them, and when they're caught, they blame political correctness, because, in their opinion, they've done nothing wrong.
Which fantasy world are you living in. It really matters very little to me, whom you side with. I am not running for office here, and asking for your support. In fact, someone like you, who says that she's all for profiling, has already discredited herself.
As for reality, you will not recognize it, if it hits you square in the face.
Which fantasy world are you living in. It really matters very little to me, whom you side with. I am not running for office here, and asking for your support. In fact, someone like you, who says that she's all for profiling, has already discredited herself.
As for reality, you will not recognize it, if it hits you square in the face.
InvaderNice · 26-30, M
Wow you really seem to think we're impressed with you. Really we're just annoyed because you won't shut up. If you need me, I'm gonna go do something else.
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SW-User
Well put!
I think the evidence is in about Islam... and the PC crowd doesn't want to accept it.
I think the evidence is in about Islam... and the PC crowd doesn't want to accept it.
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now... if they all went to a country where it was just them and their policies, and no one to do the work (generate GDP), man the defenses, and any loser can cross the border....
... they would reap what they sow.
... they would reap what they sow.
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Northwest · M
@InvaderNice says "Northwest, I'm not reading your post. I told you I'm out and so I'm out"
Yet, here you are, again, responding. Promises, promises.
Yet, here you are, again, responding. Promises, promises.
Goralski · 51-55, M
Of course it could. ..china flooded Nepal with Chinese citizens and now the original Nepalese are a tiny minority in their own country
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InvaderNice · 26-30, M
Northwest, I'm not reading your post. I told you I'm out and so I'm out. Don't post again. I won't read it.
InvaderNice · 26-30, M
You use a lot of name calling and hostility. My friend is literally a communist and him and I can talk about politics without aggression. I wish you could do the same.
And for the rest, fine, I don't feel like arguing anymore. Just don't act like I'm stopping because you "defeated" me or whatever. I could keep going if I wanted to. I just don't.
Seriously, try to save people some reading and disrespect by writing less aggressive judgments next time.
And for the rest, fine, I don't feel like arguing anymore. Just don't act like I'm stopping because you "defeated" me or whatever. I could keep going if I wanted to. I just don't.
Seriously, try to save people some reading and disrespect by writing less aggressive judgments next time.
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Northwest · M
@voyelle: just what I thought.
InvaderNice · 26-30, M
Northwest: If someone in the 1930's wore a Swastika uniform in the US, people would be afraid. Could he say, "You're hate mongering"? He'd be wrong. He looks like a Nazi. Just like a raghead looks like a terrorist. They shouldn't wear that stuff over here.
InvaderNice · 26-30, M
Thanks Voyelle.
Northwest · M
@Voyelle: I really have no idea what you're talking about, when you say that the name Ali was replaced with David in the British press. Or when you say that the French press will suppress anything from now now.
Really, what are you talking about?
Really, what are you talking about?
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