@SexyLesGirl13 I'd like to explain to you my point in more details so perhaps we will reach to an understanding.

All the verses from the Quran that you mentioned are talking about the reward of a martyr when he dies in the battlefield or killed for his/her religion. And the reward is entering Paradise. Being a martyr means to be killed, not to go and kill.

Moreover, not all Muslims who die are considered martyrs. Martyrdom is an honor that is given by God, and there are conditions need to be met for someone to be considered a martyr.

The Prophet said: “Who do you reckon to be martyr (shaheed) among you?” They replied: “The one who is killed in the way of Allah.” He said: “In that case the martyrs among my people would be few!” They asked: “Messenger of Allah! Then who are the martyrs?” He said: “He who is killed in the way of Allah is a martyr; he who dies naturally in the Cause of Allah is a martyr; he who dies of plague is a martyr; he who dies of a stomach disease is a martyr; and he who is drowned is a martyr.”
- [Sahih Muslim].

When he was asked why plague is considered as martyrdom, he replied: “It used to be a form of punishment that Allah would send on people, but He made it a mercy for the believers. Any believer who perseveres through it will get the reward of a martyr.”

“There are five kinds of martyrs: One who dies of plague; one who dies of a disease of the stomach or intestines; one who drowns; one who is crushed in a collapsing building; and one who is martyred in the way of Allah.”
- [al-Bukhari, Muslim, Malik]

“Whoever is killed defending his property is a martyr.”
- [al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Therefore, one doesn't have to be die/killed in the battlefield to be considered a martyr.

Plus, all the orders/commands of killing in the quran are for battles, not for killing civilians. And, intentionally, I said 'battles' instead of 'wars'. A battle means a fight between two armies, while a war means an army attacks civilians, like the way it is done nowadays, and this is forbidden in Islam.

Before engaging in battle, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) instructed his soldiers:

1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)

2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)

3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.(Al-Muwatta)

4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food.” (Al-Muwatta)

5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)

6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)

7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)

8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)

9. “No one may punish with fire except the Lord of Fire.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).

10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

Islam protects innocents and civilians of any faiths. So someone who goes and kills civilians is never considered a martyr, so he/she never promised Paradise. Besides, committing suicide is forbidden in Islam in any case. Those who kill themselves in the name of God are never considered martyrs.

There was someone who fought bravely and attacked the enemy recklessly in the ranks of Muslims. He was also the first one who shot arrows at the enemy.

Strange enough, whenever Quzman’s name was mentioned, the Prophet said, “He is a person of Hell”. The Companions could not understand why the Prophet said so.

Quzman showed great heroism during the most severe moments of the battle. When the Islamic army started to disperse, he broke the sheath of his sword; he attacked the polytheists saying, “To die is better than to run away. O People of Aws! Fight for honor and fame like me.” After killing seven or eight polytheists, he got wounded and there was blood on his body and clothes.

The Companions had not understood the meaning of the word of the Prophet: “He is a person of Hell.” How could Quzman, who showed so much heroism and bravery in the rank of Muslims be a person of hell?

However, the Messenger of God knew about the real nature of Quzman because God had informed the Prophet about him.

The Companions congratulated Quzman, who was having great pains due to his wounds, and said, “Congratulations O Quzman! You will go to Paradise!”

In his answer, Quzman revealed the real nature of the issue: “Why do you congratulate me? My aim is not to be a martyr. I did not even think about maintaining the religion. I fought for my tribe; I fought so that the Qurayshis would not damage the date gardens of Madinah.” When his pains got worse, he did not have any hope that he would survive; so, he cut the vein in his arm with an arrow and committed suicide.

Thus, the Companions realized the truth in the words of the Messenger of God. They found out that the heroism of Quzman was not for the sake of God but for the sake of his tribe’s honor and fame, and protecting the date gardens in Madinah.

When the Messenger of God heard that Quzman committed suicide, he said, “Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! I witness that I am the Messenger of God!” Then, he added, “Doubtlessly, God strengthens his religion through a sinner if He wishes.”

The criterion for the acceptance of deeds is sincerity; that is, the deed needs to be done for the sake and consent of God.

A word, a deed or an act of heroism that is not said or done sincerely has no value in the eye of God. The incident of Quzman is a clear example of it.

This man was considered a sinner rather than a martyr, simply because his intention was fame and he committed suicide.


This verse was sent for people of Mecca (Quraish) who expelled Muslims from their homes, took their properties, and fought against Muslims for over a decade. However the command of killing wasn't sent for those reasons, but because they had a treaty with Muslims (Treaty Of Hudaibiya), which includes:

1. There was to be a truce between the Muslims and the Quraish for a period of ten years.
2. If any tribe wanted to enter into treaty with the Muslims it could do so, and whoever wished to enter a covenant with the Quraish was likewise free to do so.
3. If any one from the Quraish came to the Muslims without the permission of his guardian, he was to be returned to the Quraish. On the other hand if a Muslim sought refuge with the Quraish, he was not to be delivered to the Muslims.
4. The Muslims were to withdraw that year without performing the pilgrimage. They were free to perform the Hajj the following year when they could stay in Mecca for three days.

Quraish and their allies, the Bani Bakr, violated the terms of the peace (the treaty) concluded at Hudaibiya by attacking the Bani Khuzaah, who were in alliance with the Muslims. The Bani Khuzaah appealed to the Prophet for help and protection. The Prophet determined to make a stop to the reign of injustice and oppression which had lasted so long at Mecca.

The verse you mentioned is from [Surah 9]. If you read the previous and after verses, you will get the whole picture. So let's do exactly that.

[Quran 9:1]:
"A declaration of immunity from God and His Messenger to the polytheists with whom you had made a treaty.

Even though they broke the treaty, God commanded Muslims to give the polytheists four months time for escape from Mecca and avoid the consequence, which is considered a second chance for them. So anyone who escapes Mecca before those four months end will NOT be killed. [Quran 9:2]:
"So travel the land for four months, and know that you cannot escape God, and that God will disgrace the disbelievers.

Not only that, any of them (who broke the treaty) repents and accepts Islam during those four months will also not be killed [Quran 9:3]:
"And a proclamation from God and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage, that God has disowned the polytheists, and so did His Messenger. If you repent, it will be better for you. But if you turn away, know that you cannot escape God. And announce to those who disbelieve a painful punishment."

Then, the next verse [Quran 9:4] talks about polytheists who DID NOT break the treaty, that Muslims should not fight against them or kill them.
"Except for those among the polytheists with whom you had made a treaty, and did not violate any of its terms, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill the treaty with them to the end of its term. God loves the righteous."

Now comes the verse you mentioned [Quran 9:5], here God commands Muslims to fight after the given four months ended, but even then, if they repent, they will be saved.
"When the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them. And capture them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayers, and pay the alms, then let them go their way. God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

The next verses talk about those who were not part of the treaty and were not among those who expelled Muslims from their homes, the ones who seek protection from Muslims. God command Muslims to do not kill them and to give them protection, not only that, but to take them to safe place so their own people won't kill them [Quran 9:6:7]:
"And if anyone of the polytheists asks you for protection, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of God; then escort him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
How can there be a treaty with the polytheists on the part of God and His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at the Sacred Mosque? As long as they are upright with you, be upright with them. God loves the pious."

The next verses explain more about this event, but I decided to stop here. Let me know if you want me to go through the rest of the surah.

You mentioned another verse from the same surah [9:73]:

This verse talks about the hypocrites of Madinah, and here God is commanding the prophet to 'strive' against them, not to 'kill' them. If you read the next verse, you will understand why this command was sent [Quran 9:74]:
"They swear by God that they said nothing; but they did utter the word of blasphemy, and they renounced faith after their submission. And they plotted what they could not attain. They were resentful only because God and His Messenger have enriched them out of His grace. If they repent, it would be best for them; but if they turn away, God will afflict them with a painful punishment-in this life and in the Hereafter-and they will have on earth no protector and no savior."

So, this verse was sent for specific people and for specific reason. It is not general. If you want me to explain this story in more detail, let me know.


Let's read this verse with full context. The next verse explains who are those unbelievers that this verse is talking about [Quran 3:152]:
"God has fulfilled His promise to you, and you defeated them by His leave; until when you faltered, and disputed the command, and disobeyed after He had shown you what you like. Some of you want this world, and some of you want the next. Then He turned you away from them, to test you; but He pardoned you. God is Gracious towards the believers."

It talks about unbelievers of Mecca after the battle of Badr. The rest of the verse talks about what happened to the Muslims during the battle of Uhod. So again, it is sent for specific people at a specific event.


Again, this verse is from the same surah (surah 9), which talks about the treaty. If you read the next verses, you will understand that it was talking about fighting against disbelievers of Mecca who expelled Muslims from their homes.

[Quran 9:38-42]:
"O you who believe! What is the matter with you, when it is said to you, "Mobilize in the cause of God," you cling heavily to the earth? Do you prefer the present life to the Hereafter? The enjoyment of the present life, compared to the Hereafter, is only a little.
Unless you mobilize, He will punish you most painfully, and will replace you with another people, and you will not harm Him at all. God has power over all things.
If you do not help him, God has already helped him, when those who disbelieved expelled him, and he was the second of two in the cave. He said to his friend, "Do not worry, God is with us." And God made His tranquility descend upon him, and supported him with forces you did not see, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowest, while the Word of God is the Highest. God is Mighty and Wise.
Mobilize, light or heavy, and strive with your possessions and your lives in the cause of God. That is better for you, if you only knew."


This talks about martyrs who were killed in the battlefield. I explained this in detail above. Also, talks about those who strive and fight to defend their faith and home. They also considered martyrs if they were killed for those causes. They were promised Paradise as a reward for their struggle. [Quran 4:95]:
"and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise),"


NOTE: I did put those two hadiths (you mentioned) together in one quote, because they speak about the same subject.

Many prominent scholars throughout the centuries have held the view that apostasy is not a hadd (singular for hudud = capital) offence. This view is founded on the fact that the Quran is completely silent on the death penalty for apostasy. In fact, freedom of religion is a fundamental tenet of Islam. There are many verses support this view. If you want me to list them for you, please let me know.

First, this hadith [Sahih al-Bukhari Book 52 Hadith 260] is considered a weak hadith with just a single isnad (this means there is only one chain of transmission or narration) and thus according to the rules of Islamic jurisprudence, it is not enough to validate the death penalty.

Second, this hadith is also considered a general ('amm) hadith in that it is in need of specification (takhsis); for it would otherwise convey a meaning that is not within its purpose. The obvious reading of the hadith would, for example, make liable the death punishment on a Hindu or Christian who converts to Islam (because the original text in Arabic says, if someone change his RELIGION). This is obviously not the intention of the hadith. According to the rules of Islamic jurisprudence, when a text is interpreted once, it becomes open to further interpretation and specification. Therefore, many scholars interpret this hadith to apply only to cases of high treason (hirabah), which means declaring war against Islam, the Prophet, or God or the legitimate leadership of the ummah.

Third, and most importantly, there is no evidence to show that Prophet Muhammad saw or his Companions ever compelled anyone to embrace Islam, nor did they sentence anyone to death solely for renunciation of the faith.

Based on these three reasons and the Quranic principle of freedom of religion, prominent ulama (scholars) from the seventh to the twentieth centuries have come out with the position that there can be no death penalty for apostasy.

Islam is an ocean. It can never be understood by just reading verses here and there. You must study it. People spend a lifetime studying Islam. The Quran itself can never be explained a verse by itself. We must read the whole book and interpret each verse according to contexts and we must put together with other verses that talk about the same subject in order to take out a ruling. Also, Hadith is considered the second source of Islam. Even if the hadith is sahih, it has to go hand in hand with the Quran, if a hadith is found contradicting the Quran, then it is dismissed or considered weak.

@SexyLesGirl13

Please, if you have hate in your heart towards Islam, don't make it blind you to fabricate lies against my religion. I am not here to debate, but I welcome healthy discussions. It is very clear that you have very weak knowledge about Islam, or you know that you are twisting information.

In Islam, any person (whether Muslim or not) is innocent as long as he/she didn't commit any crime.

[Quran 60:8]:
"As for those who have not fought against you for your religion, nor expelled you from your homes, God does not prohibit you from dealing with them kindly and equitably. God loves the equitable."

Hmm.. where is the command of KILLING in this verse? I don't see it? Do you even have an argument?

The verse that you mentioned is about certain Jews and certain Christians and for certain situation.

In fact, God spoke highly of some Jews and Christians (people of the scripture) who are peaceful and true believers.

[Quran 3:113-115]:
"They are not alike. Among the People of the Scripture is a community that is upright; they recite God's revelations throughout the night, and they prostrate themselves.
They believe in God and the Last Day, and advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and are quick to do good deeds. These are among the righteous.
Whatever good they do, they will not be denied it. God knows the righteous."

Plus, in the Quran, God commands Muslims to unite with Jews and Christians in worship.

[Quran 3:64]:
"Say, "O People of the Book, come to terms common between us and you: that we worship none but God, and that we associate nothing with Him, and that none of us takes others as lords besides God." And if they turn away, say, "Bear witness that we have submitted.""


Hmmm.. again, what is your point? Do you see a command of killing innocent people of other faiths? Do you even know what you are talking about?

This verse is about the reward of martyrs who die DURING battles (wars). Those who die believers are promised Paradise, and those who die disbelievers are promised Hell.

Please, don't waste my time.


Again, you failed to provide a single argument to support your lies. It is very clear that Islam never promote killing innocents (of any faiths). Those groups who commit those crimes in the name of Islam.. kill Muslims more than any other people. They have hidden agenda that goes beyond religion.

As I mentioned earlier, I am not here to debate, and please don't accuse me again of lying or practicing taqiyya. I'm not Shia!

I created this group to share what I love about my religion. If it's not appealing to you, don't read my post. Otherwise, I would welcome any healthy discussions that don't promote hate.

Usually, I don't reply to hateful comments, but I replied to you to clarify your twisted interpretations. Finally, I'd like to end my reply with this verse.

[Quran 5:32]:
"Whoever kills a person-unless it is for murder or corruption on earth-it is as if he killed the whole of mankind; and whoever saves it, it is as if he saved the whole of mankind. Our messengers came to them with clarifications, but even after that, many of them continue to commit excesses in the land."

@hunkalove God revealed Himself through His creation and His message. It only takes a sincere and humble heart to admit the truth.

@SexyLesGirl13 God's message is one for all people. Killing has been forbidden in all scriptures sent by God with all prophets. If you read the previous verses, you will find that God was talking about the story of the very first murder in human history (when son of Adam killed his own brother), so the ruling of not killing was for all nations, not only children of Israel.

Plus, this verse does not contradict the other verses I mentioned earlier. So even if I don't mention it, I still MADE MY POINT that killing is FORBIDDEN in Islam.

I don't appreciate your language and the way you talk about my prophet. Even though I understand your frustration of NOT having an ARGUMENT to prove Islam wrong. People tend to be rude when they have nothing to say.

God, the divine benevolent energy that gives purpose to our existence manifests in Nature. My Gods are not detached, masculine figures, ruling over us and subjecting us to their arbitrary laws. No, my Gods are all around me; I feel them in the air I breathe, in the sun upon my face. I hear their voices in the winds, in the trembling of the earth, in the calls and cries of all living things. For me, and others who follow the Craft, the Divine is personified in two separate, yet joined forces. One is feminine, the other masculine. These divine aspects manifest in ways each practitioner chooses, in a very real sense, WE determine how God is, and how God communes with us. The practice of this, simple, ancient, nature loving spirituality is known to many as Wiccacraft, or more commonly, witchcraft.

@ @Madeleine stern1
stəːn/Submit
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(of a person or their manner) serious and unrelenting, especially in the assertion of authority and exercise of discipline.
"a smile transformed his stern face"
synonyms:serious, unsmiling, frowning, poker-faced, severe, forbidding, grim, unfriendly, sombre, grave, sober, austere, dour, stony, flinty, steely, unrelenting, unyielding, unforgiving, unbending, unsympathetic, disapproving; rareRhadamanthine; informalboot-faced
"Nick's expression was stern"
(of an act or statement) strict and severe.
"stern measures to restrict vehicle growth"
synonyms:strict, severe, stringent, harsh, drastic, hard, tough, fierce, extreme, rigorous, rigid, exacting, demanding, uncompromising, unsparing,

ALL THEY DID WAS LOOSE FAITH IN mu-HAM-MAD WHY DO SO HARSH?
YOUR EXPOSED AGAIN!
NEXT?

hunka ... just for the record that is only true if you choose to disregard a large number of first person accounts going back over 4,000 years

@Tyrrmack This is the problem when exchanging opinions reach to the point of becoming personal. What I said was general. I welcome any opinions of any other faiths. In fact, I enjoy healthy discussions that based on mutual respect.

I don't appreciate your language and the way you talk about my prophet and my beliefs. Even if we don't agree, I am talking to you with respect and I'd expect the same. Otherwise, I don't waste my time on childish talks.

I believe that Islam is the truth, simply because I never came across something that made me feel otherwise. If you would like to share your thoughts/beliefs, you are most welcome. Perhaps you would convince me.

I don't debate, I discuss. So I am not here to win an argument, but to understand.

@Tyrrmack You seem like a decent person as well, that's why I am taking the time to reply to your comments.

I opologize if my comment made you feel that I am arrogant. This so not what I meant.

We all have curtain set of beliefs. When I say I believe Islam is the truth, you may agree and you may not. Why do I have to keep my beliefs to myself? As a free person, I have the right to express my opinion and share my beliefs. I never spoke ill regarding any other faiths.

I am not saying (as Muslim) that I am better than you. I say that I have something I feel that is better for you.

I don't agree with your opinion regarding religion. But this doesn't mean we should not have mutual understanding and respect.

Your rejection of heinous acts in the name of religion is admirable, however, humanity will never reach its full potential until it frees itself from the chains of organized religion.

You shouldn't think of it like that, it's not like other religions, it's not about "power" or "control" or "submission". We are free, free to invite the divine into us, or to make our journey alone. My Gods aren't taking notes, assigning blame and planning retribution. Believe, or don't, you're call. See the Goddess as a young maiden, a nurturing mother, a wise old crone. It is your choice.

@Tyrrmack I understand your beliefs that humans should have complete freedom over their lives, but why do you think that we don't have as much freedom when it comes to our looks, ethnicity, language, the family we were born into, we don't choose our parents?

@Tyrrmack Thank you for your explanation.


Does this mean that humans have power over god?

Forgive my bluntness, but you may want to tone down these posts, out of respect for the 50 innocent people murdered today by a follower of your "peaceful" religion.

@Madeleine
Q5:32-SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Because of that," We decreed upon the Children of Israel" that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.


"We decreed upon the Children of Israel"
IT WAS FOR "Israel"
YOU ARE A DAMN LIAR ILL PROVE IT THIS DISPROVES THE CLAIM YOU MADE ABOUT THIS VERSE APPLYING TO THE WORD,

ALL THE ONES U QUOTED WAS FROM WHEN mu-HAM-mad was weak so he had to bow to the qurash he had no power then liar

@SexyLesGirl13 I know that you collect verses and hadiths from websites. I know that you don't actually have a Quran in hand that you read page to page and take those verses from. I am not criticizing you, but you must keep in mind that there are a lot of websites out there that were created for the aim of destroying the beautiful image of Islam. Their owners have hidden agenda that go beyond religion. They would take a verse out of context or hadith then interpret it their way.

I would expect you to be intelligent, so do your own research and don't let them make your opinions/ideas for you.

May God bless your heart and grant you peace.

Entropy determines both in most cases, much like it determines most of what happens in the Universe. Although we humans often have the freedom to choose the hour and manner of our demise.

@Tyrrmack Thank you for your honest opinion.

Muslims invite people to Islam, but it is never by force. In fact, it is forbidden to force someone to be Muslim.

People accept Islam by their own will, they find their inner peace in it. If you read statics closely, you will find that Islam is growing in the west where freedom of speech and religious practices are applied, they were not forced, were they?

Plus, you call it greed, why?
What will Muslims gain if you become Muslim? And what will they lose if you don't?

I invite others to Islam because I believe it is the truth and I want them to enter Paradise in Hereafter. You might not believe, but I do it out of love.

@Tyrrmack I understand. According to your beliefs, who determines the day we're born and the day we will die? How much freedom do humans have over this matter?

I can't speak for all humans, but I believe in the freedom to live your life on your own terms, with or without religion.

@Tyrrmack


Explain please.

@Madeleine what innocents? the only innocents in islam are muslims
quran5:51-SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

I wish the same to you my dear. Should you ever be interested in what I believe, I am available to you.

@Tyrrmack Thank you. I appreciate your opology and I wish you the best.

You wish to understand? Then understand this, I do not need Islam in my life, nor do I want it, and there are many people across the world that share this opinion. I don't want to convince you, because my faith, unlike yours, doesn't seek to dominate the world. You don't like my language? Well, I apologize, but truth is truth.

In why? Most likely the same reason you do, because I choose to.

Tyrrmack Thank you. I am interested in why you believe?

@Tyrrmack What do you mean by witchcraft? And please, explain the divinity of nature.

@Tyrrmack How much freedom do you believe humans have?

Except in the entire history of the human race, "God" has never shown His face. Doesn't that make you just a little suspicious?

@Tyrrmack Humanity will not reach its full potential until it frees it self from greed, hunger for money and authority. Unfortunately, mass shooting has always been a problem, especially in the US, and it had been done by non-religious people.

@Tyrrmack What do you believe in?

So close and yet so far :(

The Divinity of Nature, the Earth Mother, the Sky Father, the Goddess and the God, the Old Ways, before men made Scriptures and dogma to bind other men. In short, Witchcraft.

There is no greater greed than that which can be found in religion.

You may keep your truth to yourself, your vanity in believing Islam alone is the path to the Divine is a threat to all those who value true spiritual and worldly freedom. You seem like a decent person, unfortunately, there are too many who share your religion that wish to impose it upon others. Islam is growing in the West because so many Muslims come to the West to seek opportunity that cannot be found in Muslim countries, quite an ironic circumstance. Don't you understand the arrogance in your invitation? How dare you believe my faith or anyone else's is inferior to yours? As I say, you seem truly decent, which makes your misguided conviction even more unfortunate.

@Madeleine:Mujahid- guerrilla fighters in Islamic countries, especially those who are fighting against "non-Muslim"

Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty."
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 2787
In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 6
(English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 46

@Tyrrmack My consolation to the families of the victims. As Muslim, I would like to speak out against this act. If this crime was done by a Muslim, it doesn't mean it is permitted by Islam.

@Madeleine WHEN i am done with you i will expose u and the cult of mu-HAM-MAD
ITS A LONG HADITH SO ILL GIVE THE GIST OF IT

Sahih al-Bukhari Book 84 Hadith 58
Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed
Q4:95:MUHSIN KHAN
Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward;

"Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward"

I'm not Muslim I'm Christian o_0

You have something that you feel is better for me? Listen to yourself, you don't even know what I believe. That, my poor deluded friend IS arrogance. My faith comes from a time long before your lustful and brutal Prophet. Unlike Islam, the Craft seeks no converts, desires no hegemony, and makes no proud, boastful claims of its spiritual superiority. Your absolute certainty of Islam's superiority is the core problem, the underlying cause of so much of its violence and hatred. Open your eyes to a greater, freer world.

@hunkalove I will agree with you if you bring me a proof from the Qur'an or Hadith that committing suiced and killing innocents will take someone to Paradise.

Your faith wants the entire world to be Muslim, it doesn't get much greedier than that. You are a slave to words written by men with agendas. It is no different for all those who are deluded by what they believe to be "Holy Writ."

@Madeleine:I AM JUST GETTING STARTED
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I DISRESPECTED YOUR PROPHET W/out a prophecy? he use to do wudo w/ nasty dirty water he was a a warlord,pedo,and nasty,he use to promote beating wives,said women were like dogs&stupid.
Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:73-SHAKIR
O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
Q3:151:YUSUF ALI
Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!
YOU SAY I MAKE UP LIES WHOSE LYING NOW? MUSLIMS LIE W/0 SHAME. AND CUT VERSES OUT OF CONTEXT. LIKE YOU DID WITH Q5:32.

No thanks, Madeliene. That's the same "God" who tells suicide bombers they can go to Heaven with 72 virgins. Religion hurts everyone. Especially the religious.

@Madeleine you liar! you said you wanted to see killing people gets muslims into heaven. i showed you that if u want killing verses fine:Q9:SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
2.47:31-MUHSIN KHAN
So be not weak and ask not for peace (from the enemies of Islam), while you are having the upper hand. Allah is with you, and will never decrease the reward of your good deeds.


3.Sahih al-Bukhari Book 52 Hadith 260
Narrated Ikrima:

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'

"If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

Bob, that's just made up crap. I could say the same things. Religion was invented by some guys so you will give them your money and let them tell you what to do so they don't have to work for a living. God told me to say that. Amen.

@Madeleine 1.Islam protects innocents and civilians of any faiths

2.Quran is completely silent on the death penalty for apostasy. In fact, freedom of religion is a fundamental tenet of Islam.
You were using hadiths left&right!when i showed you in sahih hadiths that you leave is lam u die all of a sudden fuck the hadiths its not in quran
S5:54-:PICKTHALL
O ye who believe! Whoso of you becometh a renegade from his religion, (know that in his stead) Allah will bring a people whom He loveth and who love Him, humble toward believers, stern toward disbelievers, striving in the way of Allah, and fearing not the blame of any blamer. Such is the grace of Allah which He giveth unto whom He will. Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing.
"stern toward disbelievers" why?

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Madeleine qyran 57:19-PICKTHALL
And those who believe in Allah and His messengers, they are the loyal, and the martyrs are with their Lord; they have their reward and their light; while as for those who disbelieve and deny Our revelations, they are owners of hell-fire.

keep your taqiyya bullshit we dont want or need it

@Madeleine you know nothing of islam lol poor fool