imareallyfatman · 36-40, M
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Hamody · 31-35, M
@Madeleine: :D
Northwest · M
@imareallyfatman: Saudi Arabia's regime is the only one (that I am aware of), in the world, where women are not allowed to drive. They are not allowed to be in the presence of a male, who is not related to them, they are not allowed to travel, without an authorization from their husband, and in public, they must be veiled
Saudi Arabia invested $6.5B in Uber. The reason behind it, is that it allows Uber to expand into Saudi Arabia, and they're going to empower a certain female ex-pat driver, who is not likely to be Muslim, to drive Muslim women around.
Saudi Arabia invested $6.5B in Uber. The reason behind it, is that it allows Uber to expand into Saudi Arabia, and they're going to empower a certain female ex-pat driver, who is not likely to be Muslim, to drive Muslim women around.
benyou000 · 31-35, M
FOR GIVE ME MY FRIEND .NOW YOU TOLK ABUT CULTURE AND THE CULTURES CHANGE FROM PLACE TO OTHER.ISLAM DONT SAY THIS AND.IT HAS'NT COMBARITION BETWEN MAN and WOMAN AND ALL PEOPLE CORAN SAY IN SURAT ELROME(19-22)"
In the Name of Allah,the Merciful, the Most Merciful"[19]He brings out the living from the dead,and the dead from the living.He revives the earth after its death.Likewise you shall be brought forth.[20]And of His signs is that He created you from dust and you became humans scattered throughout the earth.[21]And of His signs is that He created for you wives from among yourselves,that you might reside with them, and has put kindness and mercy between you. Surely,there are signs in this for those who think.[22] And His signs are the creation of heavens and earth and the diversity of your tongues and colors.Surely,there are signs in this for all the worlds.
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In the Name of Allah,the Merciful, the Most Merciful"[19]He brings out the living from the dead,and the dead from the living.He revives the earth after its death.Likewise you shall be brought forth.[20]And of His signs is that He created you from dust and you became humans scattered throughout the earth.[21]And of His signs is that He created for you wives from among yourselves,that you might reside with them, and has put kindness and mercy between you. Surely,there are signs in this for those who think.[22] And His signs are the creation of heavens and earth and the diversity of your tongues and colors.Surely,there are signs in this for all the worlds.
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Northwest · M
@Madeleine: The Qur'an is not consistent on this. If indeed, the is no compulsion, as in there is no "forcing", then the other language, prescribing death, to those who change their minds, and those who do not convert.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Northwest: I would like to start from your last point. Politically, religion ruled countries in the 7th century. Someone who changes his/her religion and joined another was seen as treason.
There is no verse in the Quran that commands Muslims to kill someone changes his/her religion. You gave me verses that have nothing to do with this issue. As for Sharia, there's no black and white in the Islamic law. Not all scholars agree with the position of killing someone who leaves Islam.
There is no verse in the Quran that commands Muslims to kill someone changes his/her religion. You gave me verses that have nothing to do with this issue. As for Sharia, there's no black and white in the Islamic law. Not all scholars agree with the position of killing someone who leaves Islam.
Northwest · M
@Madeleine: You know very well, that Sharia is a combination. The basics are set in the Qur'an, and the Hadith can prescribe a remedy. If you want to treat the 7th century as a special period, then I would agree.
The 7th century perspective does not apply to today. I am concerned with today.
While the Qur'an does not prescribe a punishment for apostasy, from a modern perspective, it does define what apostasy is (in several verses).
It is the Hadith, that is used to justify today's Sharia rulings on apostasy, and that would be death. You continue saying that not all scholars agree with Capital Punishment, but the fact is, that today, ALL countries that apply the Sharia agree that IT IS up to Capital Punishment. Which means that a person may not get the death penalty, but it is the maximum sentence that can be applied.
I've had this same argument, with people who are on the opposite religious spectrum, and it always boils down to this: Islam, through the application of Fuqh, to Sharia, can reform, without violating any religious edicts.
If Saudi Arabia followed the Qur'an, there would be no death penalty for apostasy, and women can have their freedom.
The 7th century perspective does not apply to today. I am concerned with today.
While the Qur'an does not prescribe a punishment for apostasy, from a modern perspective, it does define what apostasy is (in several verses).
It is the Hadith, that is used to justify today's Sharia rulings on apostasy, and that would be death. You continue saying that not all scholars agree with Capital Punishment, but the fact is, that today, ALL countries that apply the Sharia agree that IT IS up to Capital Punishment. Which means that a person may not get the death penalty, but it is the maximum sentence that can be applied.
I've had this same argument, with people who are on the opposite religious spectrum, and it always boils down to this: Islam, through the application of Fuqh, to Sharia, can reform, without violating any religious edicts.
If Saudi Arabia followed the Qur'an, there would be no death penalty for apostasy, and women can have their freedom.
Madeleine · 41-45, F
@Northwest:
I would like you to explain this point more please.
Islam, through the application of Fuqh, to Sharia, can reform, without violating any religious edicts.
I would like you to explain this point more please.
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