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1490wayb · 56-60, M
without ukraine and america...all of europe would be speaking russian and\or chinese
Elessar · 31-35, M
@1490wayb Yes because for the past 30yrs or so the general consensus was that the lesson was learned, and that after the collapse of the USSR and the unification of Europe the page could be turned. Then TV and social media brainrot happened.

Nonetheless, It's still a continent that, with the exception of the past 80 years, it's been at war for 2000 years. If things need to scale, especially with the GDP that Europe has at its disposal (roughly on par with that or the US or China), it can easily close the gap and mop the floor with Russia.

It's also colossally stupid for America to force a change in the status quo, because a militarily independent Europe won't be as eager as it is now to align with the US in foreign policy, grant access to its bases or its market.
1490wayb · 56-60, M
@Elessar i agree with most of what you share
Elessar · 31-35, M
@1490wayb Also defense spending and welfare aren't mutually exclusive. That's bullshít that you get told by the corporate class to justify having third world healthcare. When, paradoxically, the insurance based system costs more to maintain than an universal one lol

DanielsASJ · 36-40, M
Now, Only 3 powerful Nations are there. Ukraine who has shown exceptional courage against Russia. Israel who is amongst all the non like minded state but still is surviving to this day and the Third one is USA who is fighting for a very just cause, right now.
MethDozer · M
@DanielsASJ a just cause my ass
DanielsASJ · 36-40, M
@MethDozer It's too small to bother me. Not even the size of my umbrella
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DDonde · 31-35, M
I know what you're getting at, but if the point of the war is to stop Iranian Shahed drone production, why has no one in the administration ever said that?
There does not seem to be any clear consistent objective in Iran besides regime change, which hasn't happened yet, and is unlikely to happen via only an air campaign.
No one else wants to get entangled with this mess.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@DDonde Those drones get manufactured in Russia nowadays so even that's a poor pìss excuse.
FloorGenAdm · 51-55, M
Seems like the same as it ever was with a new twist on it. I remember those desert storm trading cards.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@FloorGenAdm Europe and Britain came to save the USA's ass in Iraq, if you have short memory.
Elessar · 31-35, M
Ukraine is the defender, the USA is the aggressor.

It's perfectly consistent to be against both the aggressors, be it Russia or the USA.
DanielsASJ · 36-40, M
@Elessar It will be the very best for everyone
Elessar · 31-35, M
@DanielsASJ Only for Putin
DanielsASJ · 36-40, M
@Elessar Yes, Day will come
BohoBabe · M
Because the Ukraine War is defensive. With Iran, America and Israel are the aggressors.
wrule · F
@BohoBabe Yes, Ukraine was invaded by Russia and had to defend itself.

 
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