The Greatest Story Ever Told does come from the Bible. It is in the Bible. We cannot count on man's idea of what they think God said. These Biblical movies are sometimes enhanced and even the truths from the bible, twisted, with inaccurate accounts. They cannot be dependent upon. I'll take God's word over man's, anytime.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LadyGrace
The movie of that title was based on Fulton Oursler's 1949 novel which told of the life of Jesus from the four canonical Gospels of the New Testament.
It was in Fulton Oursler's mind that Jesus' teaching inspired the creation of the novel.
Man's idea is all we have to intuit what Jesus taught.
The word is not the thing. The word "door" is not the actual door. Reading words is like reading smoke signals. Jesus' teaching cannot be verbalized.
The Greatest Story Ever Told does come from the Bible.
The movie of that title was based on Fulton Oursler's 1949 novel which told of the life of Jesus from the four canonical Gospels of the New Testament.
It is in the Bible.
It was in Fulton Oursler's mind that Jesus' teaching inspired the creation of the novel.
We cannot count on man's idea of what they think God said. These Biblical movies are sometimes enhanced and even the truths from the bible, twisted, with inaccurate accounts. They cannot be dependent upon.
Man's idea is all we have to intuit what Jesus taught.
I'll take God's word over man's, anytime.
The word is not the thing. The word "door" is not the actual door. Reading words is like reading smoke signals. Jesus' teaching cannot be verbalized.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LadyGrace
What other means do we have other than the verbalization of thought?
The movie was about Jesus' teaching. The power of redemption is open for discussion. You could see it as
the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil. I view it as the action of regaining the state of freedom from conflict in relationship with ourselves and others.
Is this what Jesus taught?
That's where you're wrong. Man's idea is not all we have.
What other means do we have other than the verbalization of thought?
I'm just saying that the greatest story ever told is the story about Jesus and his redemptive power. It's in the Bible.
The movie was about Jesus' teaching. The power of redemption is open for discussion. You could see it as
the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil. I view it as the action of regaining the state of freedom from conflict in relationship with ourselves and others.
Man's ideas are not above God's and they are flawed.
Is this what Jesus taught?
val70 · 51-55
There's a lot of methods in the realm of reflective meditation. Last Lent I spent the weeks in trying to delve into some classical music piece that speak to me, find the meaning for the actual composer and musicians, and then see the link with God.
My own cinematic favourite moment for the Bible stories is Ernest Borgnine's portrail of a Roman centurion in yet another movie about Christ's story
My own cinematic favourite moment for the Bible stories is Ernest Borgnine's portrail of a Roman centurion in yet another movie about Christ's story
sree251 · 41-45, M
@val70
Reflective meditation is a good way to put it. I do this watching the sunrise from the beginning of twilight just before the appearance of sunglow scattering on the horizon. And you do this through listening to classical music. Can you share one learning of Jesus' teaching you have gotten from this meditation?
And how does this help you with Jesus' teaching as you see it?
There's a lot of methods in the realm of reflective meditation. Last Lent I spent the weeks in trying to delve into some classical music piece that speak to me, find the meaning for the actual composer and musicians, and then see the link with God.
Reflective meditation is a good way to put it. I do this watching the sunrise from the beginning of twilight just before the appearance of sunglow scattering on the horizon. And you do this through listening to classical music. Can you share one learning of Jesus' teaching you have gotten from this meditation?
My own cinematic favourite moment for the Bible stories is Ernest Borgnine's portrail of a Roman centurion in yet another movie about Christ's story
And how does this help you with Jesus' teaching as you see it?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@val70
Above, within, whatever. What do you mean by "grace"?
Ernie's tears are nothing compared to a stigmata: the spontaneous, often unexplained appearance of bodily wounds, scars, or pain corresponding to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ. Is this Jesus' teaching as you see it?
Answer question 1: Grace comes always from above;
Above, within, whatever. What do you mean by "grace"?
answer question 2: the moment that Ernie heard the lines read by director Zeffirelli leads one to insight
Ernie's tears are nothing compared to a stigmata: the spontaneous, often unexplained appearance of bodily wounds, scars, or pain corresponding to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ. Is this Jesus' teaching as you see it?
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@FreddieUK
A challenging conversation, if it is not a battling of ideas, is an inquiry, an objective exploration for the truth that can set us free.
A hypocritical person is a hypocrite but no one is hypocritical all the time. Branding some one a hypocrite is damning that person, a strategic purpose of creating a unique identity and perception of that person permanently in the minds of others.
I agree that it is not disingenuous to conduct oneself as various personas appropriate to the situation that is consistent with convention. We do this reflexively and not consciously like an actor according to script.
Feel free to express your views as you please. I am interested in what you have to say about the teaching of Jesus as you see it.
I am not a Jesuit priest. I dropped out and did not go on to take my vows of chastity, obedience and poverty.
I appreciate having a genuinely challenging conversation with someone who is not setting out to be negative. Thank you.
A challenging conversation, if it is not a battling of ideas, is an inquiry, an objective exploration for the truth that can set us free.
I take the point about distinguishing 'hypocrite' and 'hypocritical' but I would push back at the suggestion that all are hypocrites.
A hypocritical person is a hypocrite but no one is hypocritical all the time. Branding some one a hypocrite is damning that person, a strategic purpose of creating a unique identity and perception of that person permanently in the minds of others.
I would suggest that different behaviours with different people is not 'acting' or being disingenuous. Rather, it is acknowledging those differing relationships by moderating (or otherwise) language and actions out of respect. Thus, one might hold back from, say, swearing in the presence of certain people who are known to be offended by it, or, in another example, offering help when it might be inconvenient to yourself because you know that person is unable to receive it elsewhere.
I agree that it is not disingenuous to conduct oneself as various personas appropriate to the situation that is consistent with convention. We do this reflexively and not consciously like an actor according to script.
I haven't come on here as a 'Christian' (see my profile, if you haven't already) precisely because as soon as that word is used a host of differing definitions come to people's minds, especially in these fevered times where the word has been hi-jacked (along with 'evangelical') by right wing forces on both sides of the Atlantic. However, as this conversation proves, neither do I hold back from serious debates around faith. I don't like making it about me, though. I describe myself as a disciple of Jesus Christ and let others ask questions...as you have done. It will have become apparent to you by now that I am not part of the Roman Catholic tradition, although I am aware of some of its teachings and practices.
Feel free to express your views as you please. I am interested in what you have to say about the teaching of Jesus as you see it.
(Incidentally, a favourite poet of mine is Gerard Manley Hopkins, the Jesuit priest.)
I am not a Jesuit priest. I dropped out and did not go on to take my vows of chastity, obedience and poverty.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@FreddieUK
Thank you for this post. I will come back to this after doing a chore. In the meantime, I want to tell you that although I was disillusioned, I did like the way the Church was led by Anthony Quinn, as the vicar of Christ.
Did you see the movie?
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It's not so much that I I don't want to talk about Trump, it's just that he seems irrelevant to any talk about true Christianity. Discussing him is major distraction from the main thrust of our discussion.
Thank you for this post. I will come back to this after doing a chore. In the meantime, I want to tell you that although I was disillusioned, I did like the way the Church was led by Anthony Quinn, as the vicar of Christ.
Did you see the movie?
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Adstar · 56-60, M
I make a point of not watching movies about Jesus.. They usually take away from His teachings and inject their own teachings into His worlds..
There is a very serious curse in the Bible upon people who add too or take away from the Message of the Bible.. So i do not want to take part in anything that does that..
There is a very serious curse in the Bible upon people who add too or take away from the Message of the Bible.. So i do not want to take part in anything that does that..
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Adstar
Good point. First of all, never mind the movies. We know that the very image of Jesus is fabricated by the imagination of Renaissance artists. Secondly, the Gospels, chronicling the Life of Jesus, are confessional stories, transmitted hearsay, which is a better word for rumor, recorded by third parties. The assemblages of those varied scriptural writings resulted in more than one form of the Christian Bible.
So, that means you take the authority of the Bible seriously, that it is God's word.
I make a point of not watching movies about Jesus.. They usually take away from His teachings and inject their own teachings into His worlds..
Good point. First of all, never mind the movies. We know that the very image of Jesus is fabricated by the imagination of Renaissance artists. Secondly, the Gospels, chronicling the Life of Jesus, are confessional stories, transmitted hearsay, which is a better word for rumor, recorded by third parties. The assemblages of those varied scriptural writings resulted in more than one form of the Christian Bible.
There is a very serious curse in the Bible upon people who add too or take away from the Message of the Bible.. So i do not want to take part in anything that does that..
So, that means you take the authority of the Bible seriously, that it is God's word.
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