FreddieUK · 70-79, M
I always find the book better than the movie. There's more in it and you get a better idea of what the author intended.
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@sree251 Wow! Becoming a Jesuit would have required much stricter adherence to non-Biblical material and quite a different approach to my own. I have respect for that branch of the Church, but many reservations too.
Jesus teaching in simple form is to invite (not cajole, force, intimidate) following Him by faith and the power of the Holy Spirit. He shows how that might display itself not just in His words, but His life and sacrificial death. If we try to follow the instructions of, say, the Sermon on the Mount 'religiously' we will fail and be no better than those who tried to impose the Jewish Law and declare it as the way to Heaven. He included those normally excluded from society, he forgave those who would normally be condemned and ostracised and he forcefully condemned religious hypocrites.
He welcomed people who came trusting and taught His disciples to treat God not as a remote, frightening person, but as a father to his children. He said that if you have seen Him (Jesus), you have seen the Father. He promised His Spirit to those who follow on.
He accepted crucifixion even though He had done nothing wrong and His resurrection is a promise that death is not the end for those who follow.
This is becoming a book, so I'll stop there. Others will no doubt pile in and add their bits, but that's something of my summary. You will note a lot of assertions: this must be so when confined to such a medium as this.
Jesus teaching in simple form is to invite (not cajole, force, intimidate) following Him by faith and the power of the Holy Spirit. He shows how that might display itself not just in His words, but His life and sacrificial death. If we try to follow the instructions of, say, the Sermon on the Mount 'religiously' we will fail and be no better than those who tried to impose the Jewish Law and declare it as the way to Heaven. He included those normally excluded from society, he forgave those who would normally be condemned and ostracised and he forcefully condemned religious hypocrites.
He welcomed people who came trusting and taught His disciples to treat God not as a remote, frightening person, but as a father to his children. He said that if you have seen Him (Jesus), you have seen the Father. He promised His Spirit to those who follow on.
He accepted crucifixion even though He had done nothing wrong and His resurrection is a promise that death is not the end for those who follow.
This is becoming a book, so I'll stop there. Others will no doubt pile in and add their bits, but that's something of my summary. You will note a lot of assertions: this must be so when confined to such a medium as this.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@FreddieUK
You have given excerpts from your "book" but they are commentaries on your reading of the Christian Bible. They do not reflect Jesus' teaching as you see it. Jesus' teaching as you see it, is the very living of it. You don't tell stories about Jesus walking on water. You walk on water.
This is becoming a book, so I'll stop there. Others will no doubt pile in and add their bits, but that's something of my summary. You will note a lot of assertions: this must be so when confined to such a medium as this.
You have given excerpts from your "book" but they are commentaries on your reading of the Christian Bible. They do not reflect Jesus' teaching as you see it. Jesus' teaching as you see it, is the very living of it. You don't tell stories about Jesus walking on water. You walk on water.
The Greatest Story Ever Told does come from the Bible. It is in the Bible. We cannot count on man's idea of what they think God said. These Biblical movies are sometimes enhanced and even the truths from the bible, twisted, with inaccurate accounts. They cannot be dependent upon. I'll take God's word over man's, anytime.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LadyGrace
The movie of that title was based on Fulton Oursler's 1949 novel which told of the life of Jesus from the four canonical Gospels of the New Testament.
It was in Fulton Oursler's mind that Jesus' teaching inspired the creation of the novel.
Man's idea is all we have to intuit what Jesus taught.
The word is not the thing. The word "door" is not the actual door. Reading words is like reading smoke signals. Jesus' teaching cannot be verbalized.
The Greatest Story Ever Told does come from the Bible.
The movie of that title was based on Fulton Oursler's 1949 novel which told of the life of Jesus from the four canonical Gospels of the New Testament.
It is in the Bible.
It was in Fulton Oursler's mind that Jesus' teaching inspired the creation of the novel.
We cannot count on man's idea of what they think God said. These Biblical movies are sometimes enhanced and even the truths from the bible, twisted, with inaccurate accounts. They cannot be dependent upon.
Man's idea is all we have to intuit what Jesus taught.
I'll take God's word over man's, anytime.
The word is not the thing. The word "door" is not the actual door. Reading words is like reading smoke signals. Jesus' teaching cannot be verbalized.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LadyGrace
What other means do we have other than the verbalization of thought?
The movie was about Jesus' teaching. The power of redemption is open for discussion. You could see it as
the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil. I view it as the action of regaining the state of freedom from conflict in relationship with ourselves and others.
Is this what Jesus taught?
That's where you're wrong. Man's idea is not all we have.
What other means do we have other than the verbalization of thought?
I'm just saying that the greatest story ever told is the story about Jesus and his redemptive power. It's in the Bible.
The movie was about Jesus' teaching. The power of redemption is open for discussion. You could see it as
the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil. I view it as the action of regaining the state of freedom from conflict in relationship with ourselves and others.
Man's ideas are not above God's and they are flawed.
Is this what Jesus taught?
val70 · 51-55
There's a lot of methods in the realm of reflective meditation. Last Lent I spent the weeks in trying to delve into some classical music piece that speak to me, find the meaning for the actual composer and musicians, and then see the link with God.
My own cinematic favourite moment for the Bible stories is Ernest Borgnine's portrail of a Roman centurion in yet another movie about Christ's story
My own cinematic favourite moment for the Bible stories is Ernest Borgnine's portrail of a Roman centurion in yet another movie about Christ's story
sree251 · 41-45, M
@val70
Reflective meditation is a good way to put it. I do this watching the sunrise from the beginning of twilight just before the appearance of sunglow scattering on the horizon. And you do this through listening to classical music. Can you share one learning of Jesus' teaching you have gotten from this meditation?
And how does this help you with Jesus' teaching as you see it?
There's a lot of methods in the realm of reflective meditation. Last Lent I spent the weeks in trying to delve into some classical music piece that speak to me, find the meaning for the actual composer and musicians, and then see the link with God.
Reflective meditation is a good way to put it. I do this watching the sunrise from the beginning of twilight just before the appearance of sunglow scattering on the horizon. And you do this through listening to classical music. Can you share one learning of Jesus' teaching you have gotten from this meditation?
My own cinematic favourite moment for the Bible stories is Ernest Borgnine's portrail of a Roman centurion in yet another movie about Christ's story
And how does this help you with Jesus' teaching as you see it?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@val70
Above, within, whatever. What do you mean by "grace"?
Ernie's tears are nothing compared to a stigmata: the spontaneous, often unexplained appearance of bodily wounds, scars, or pain corresponding to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ. Is this Jesus' teaching as you see it?
Answer question 1: Grace comes always from above;
Above, within, whatever. What do you mean by "grace"?
answer question 2: the moment that Ernie heard the lines read by director Zeffirelli leads one to insight
Ernie's tears are nothing compared to a stigmata: the spontaneous, often unexplained appearance of bodily wounds, scars, or pain corresponding to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ. Is this Jesus' teaching as you see it?
Adstar · 56-60, M
I make a point of not watching movies about Jesus.. They usually take away from His teachings and inject their own teachings into His worlds..
There is a very serious curse in the Bible upon people who add too or take away from the Message of the Bible.. So i do not want to take part in anything that does that..
There is a very serious curse in the Bible upon people who add too or take away from the Message of the Bible.. So i do not want to take part in anything that does that..
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