ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 51-55, M
Hell doesn't have to be something that is actively feared. Salvation is the easiest thing in the world to obtain as well as the most valuable
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP Salvation cost God his dearly beloved Son.
Salvation isn't easy, as you can tell there are people on this forum too prideful to come to Christ.
And the FRUITS of Salvation aren't easy, following Christ is hard.
But the value- no value on earth or in the Universe could be put on the soul's salvation.
Salvation isn't easy, as you can tell there are people on this forum too prideful to come to Christ.
And the FRUITS of Salvation aren't easy, following Christ is hard.
But the value- no value on earth or in the Universe could be put on the soul's salvation.
ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 51-55, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic I didn't say the Christian life was a cakewalk. But just getting salivation is easy. I also don't think God sends people to hell any more than big pharma infects people w/COVID. Both will standing in opposition to the threat, but neither cause the threat.
Richard65 · M
@BritishFailedAesthetic according to you it is rocket science because you seem incapable of offering a legitimate rebuttal of any of my points. Simply pasting up sections of my replies serves no purpose. What kind of special relationship (or love) for God justifies eternal torture if we fail to abide by His will? It's a pretty simple question. Whatever way you term it, God says love me or suffer eternal damnation. I'm hoping for you to explain why that's a legitimate theological position that you think places the God of Love in a positive light. Don't try to offer me ridiculous arch comments that don't actually answer anything. He created us, He says He loves us, yet he's willing for us to suffer ETERNAL damnation if we displease Him. That's your God of Love?
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@Richard65 It isn't a threat and we are not talking about human love, we're talking about divine love, and that is only just one attribute of God.
Me and you will always talk cross purposes as you try and anthropomorphize God and compare him to sinful humans.
Me and you will always talk cross purposes as you try and anthropomorphize God and compare him to sinful humans.
Richard65 · M
@BritishFailedAesthetic the Bible anthropomorphizes God by offering His mind in an understandable format that you can comprehend, otherwise what's the point? His pronouns are He and Him.
To tell mankind the "punishment" is eternal damnation definitely IS a threat, it just is, it's undeniable. Your soul will burn in hell. How is that not a threat?
To tell mankind the "punishment" is eternal damnation definitely IS a threat, it just is, it's undeniable. Your soul will burn in hell. How is that not a threat?
@Richard65 It's a warning which God graciously gave us.
Nothing is stopping you from coming to Christ and avoiding damnation.
Nothing is stopping you from coming to Christ and avoiding damnation.
Richard65 · M
Effectively, this is demanding faith, devotion and love for God - or else.
Do you think it healthy to believe that your God requires your faith or you'll be damned for eternity to the most heinous torture imaginable? What kind of pact is that? Love me or you'll suffer abject pain forever.
Seriously? We're supposed to think that's love?
You're married, maybe you have children. Can you imagine offering them that deal? Go to your wife and say, "Love me or I'll torture you for the rest of your life. Every day will be a living hell if you don't love me."
Would you even torture your wife if she cheated on you or left you? Would you punish her with your wrath? Don't try telling me God is a different case. He offered us love in a fashion we understand. There's no mystery to that love, we can't say, "Ah, it's something we can't properly grasp because we can't comprehend God's mind." We understand fully what love means. We understand love isn't offered under the threat of punishment or damnation.
So, now tell me what you preach makes sense.
Do you think it healthy to believe that your God requires your faith or you'll be damned for eternity to the most heinous torture imaginable? What kind of pact is that? Love me or you'll suffer abject pain forever.
Seriously? We're supposed to think that's love?
You're married, maybe you have children. Can you imagine offering them that deal? Go to your wife and say, "Love me or I'll torture you for the rest of your life. Every day will be a living hell if you don't love me."
Would you even torture your wife if she cheated on you or left you? Would you punish her with your wrath? Don't try telling me God is a different case. He offered us love in a fashion we understand. There's no mystery to that love, we can't say, "Ah, it's something we can't properly grasp because we can't comprehend God's mind." We understand fully what love means. We understand love isn't offered under the threat of punishment or damnation.
So, now tell me what you preach makes sense.
@Richard65 Bad description- I should've mentioned family love as well.
This is about the infinite consequences of our sin against an infinitely holy God, not a "love me or else" situation.
Please get a more biblical view on God's love, not a cereal box description from a 'dark matter' YouTube cartoon (which are actually quite funny in how pathetically they portray God).
This is about the infinite consequences of our sin against an infinitely holy God, not a "love me or else" situation.
Please get a more biblical view on God's love, not a cereal box description from a 'dark matter' YouTube cartoon (which are actually quite funny in how pathetically they portray God).
Richard65 · M
@BritishFailedAesthetic your sorry sarcasm doesn't mask your pitiful lack of defence. Why was the Bible written? So it can offer mankind an understanding of God's mind, His plan for us and how we should live. You said to me previously that God's mind can't be comprehended, despite the fact you study the Bible in a literal attempt to understand God's mind. You attempt to fudge the issue with waffle about infinite consequences. Yes, the infinite consequences are eternal damnation for failure to love God. You actually wrote that yourself, but you seem to lack the understanding of your own statements. What other interpretation can there be to the theological notion that failure to love God and lack of faith results in eternal torture in hell? Quit with your ludicrous deflection about YouTube cartoons or people might think you simply lack any coherent answer to my question.
@Richard65
Err.. also.....
Yes it gives us an understanding of God but we can never fully comprehend God or his glory. It's not rocket science.
Yes, the infinite consequences are eternal damnation for failure to love God. You actually wrote that yourself, but you seem to lack the understanding of your own statements.
Err.. also.....
Like me, you are a sinner deserving of eternal hell for our sin against an eternally, thrice holy God but Christ (God the Son) died and had his blood shed on the cross and God's wrath poured out on him on the cross so that if you believe on this you can avoid the hell you rightfully deserve
Why was the Bible written? So it can offer mankind an understanding of God's mind, His plan for us and how we should live. You said to me previously that God's mind can't be comprehended, despite the fact you study the Bible in a literal attempt to understand God's mind
Yes it gives us an understanding of God but we can never fully comprehend God or his glory. It's not rocket science.