LeopoldBloom · M
You're back! Just can't stay away, can you?
There is no evidence for Jesus' resurrection, but you are correct, metaphorically it does represent the immortality of the soul and the triumph over death that has been a Christian selling point since the beginning. Taking it literally, however, raises questions like where, specifically, is Jesus' physical body right now? I mean its precise location.
No one ever addresses that. Normally, if someone says a place exists, it's reasonable to ask where it is. If someone says "I've been to China," they can provide the geographic coordinates. If an astronomer says "Mars is visible," he can tell you exactly where to point your telescope if you want to see it, and if you had a big enough rocket, even a flat earther could go there.
So if you want us to take your exhortations about "real" places like heaven and hell, you should at least be able to say where they are.
There is no evidence for Jesus' resurrection, but you are correct, metaphorically it does represent the immortality of the soul and the triumph over death that has been a Christian selling point since the beginning. Taking it literally, however, raises questions like where, specifically, is Jesus' physical body right now? I mean its precise location.
No one ever addresses that. Normally, if someone says a place exists, it's reasonable to ask where it is. If someone says "I've been to China," they can provide the geographic coordinates. If an astronomer says "Mars is visible," he can tell you exactly where to point your telescope if you want to see it, and if you had a big enough rocket, even a flat earther could go there.
So if you want us to take your exhortations about "real" places like heaven and hell, you should at least be able to say where they are.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@LeopoldBloom The Bible declares Jesus is at the righht hand of the Father in Heaven at the moment.. So the question has been addressed right from the start.. And coordinates thats a universe concept.. we are not talking about somewhere inside the universe.. Heaven is outside the universe..
And in the end it is not any critical concern to a Christian if another person takes the Word of God seriously.. We are encouraged to share the message,, not told to make others believe or understand it..
And in the end it is not any critical concern to a Christian if another person takes the Word of God seriously.. We are encouraged to share the message,, not told to make others believe or understand it..
LeopoldBloom · M
@Adstar Saying heaven is "outside the universe" is meaningless. "The universe" is defined as everything; by definition, nothing can be "outside" of it. That's like asking what's north of the North Pole. R. Buckminster Fuller said "environment must always be, everything that isn't me. Universe must therefore be, all that isn't me, and me."
If you refuse to address the patent absurdities in your message, all you're doing is turning people away from it.
If you refuse to address the patent absurdities in your message, all you're doing is turning people away from it.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@LeopoldBloom
Then the definition is faulty.. The universe includes everything that is a part of the Universe and that's all.
The biggest absurdity is you trusting in the thoughts of R Buckminster Fuller.. A limited man with limited knowledge..
And each person is responsible for their own response to the message i share..
@Adstar Saying heaven is "outside the universe" is meaningless. "The universe" is defined as everything; by definition, nothing can be "outside" of it.
Then the definition is faulty.. The universe includes everything that is a part of the Universe and that's all.
The biggest absurdity is you trusting in the thoughts of R Buckminster Fuller.. A limited man with limited knowledge..
And each person is responsible for their own response to the message i share..
Adstar · 56-60, M
Our eternal home will be on the New earth in the New Jerusalem.. So yes we shall have eternal bodies..
Thats when the prophecy will be fulfilled ""The meek shall inherit the earth""
(Psalms 37:11) "But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."
Thats when the prophecy will be fulfilled ""The meek shall inherit the earth""
(Psalms 37:11) "But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."