I Am Fascinated By Science, Religion, and Philosophy

Christians are often criticized for our lack of logic. It is very upsetting because some have superior logical thinking. Here Dr. John Lennox professor from Oxford England a Christian Math professor is lecturing on science and "7 days that divide the world."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FmO2XKMe6g

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CharlieZ · 70-79, M

Logic, since at least Boole, is an integral part of Math.
Moreover, since Aristóteles sistematized it, haves an unavoidable something: it´s formal, not ontologic.
What does it mean? Lets explore a classical syllogism:

All men are mortal.
Socrates is a man.
Therefore, Socrates is mortal.

What some people is not aware of is that this is completelly the same as say (in logic):

All men are inmortal.
Socrates is a man.
Therefore, Socrates is inmortal.

All cows are mortal.
Socrates is a cow.
Therefore, Socrates is mortal.

All men are dogs.
Socrates is a man.
Therefore, Socrates is a dog.

All clucus are pirulis.
Ahasuerus is a clucus.
Therefore, ahasuerus is pirulis.

And so on.
It´s F O R M A L. Abstract of content.
Says nothing about the material truth (the nature)about the material world.

Else, what you are calling logic is merely rhetoric (the art of persuation), common to the Greek Sophists, the Scholastics and the used car sellers.

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CharlieZ · 70-79, M

@Carazaa Logic don´t prove that God don´t exist.
Can´t do it.
Conversely, Logic don´t prove that God exist.
Can´t do it.

Not to prove, not to reject.

The existence of God, for those who believe (like I DO) is based on faith and not in logic.

But, by example, Intelligent Design, that´s another kind of fish.
What Science (with Math as ONE tool, amongst others) can do and does is to show that said religious narrative don´t provide a good description of the material Universe.

I know, and not since yesterday, what Lennox (what Dembski) say.
I´m myself a mathematician and researcher.
They use Science and it´s Math badly.

LeopoldBloom · M

@CharlieZ Logic is a tool to get from one set of axioms to a conclusion. However, its success depends on the validity of the initial axioms. In your example, if I don't accept that "all men are mortal" or "Socrates is a man," I'm not going to accept your conclusion that "Socrates is mortal," either. So we end up with:

Some men might be mortal.
Socrates might be a man.
Therefore, Socrates might be mortal, or might be immortal.

CharlieZ · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom That´s why and even better, formal logic scan each one of the combinations of true / false proposed "states" of each "antecedent", giving all posible combinations of true / false for the proposition.
That is called the veritablility table for each well posed logical propossition.
It´s equivalent is what in programming you can see as the "IF...THEN...(but if) ELSE, THEN..."

And thats also why Logic haves NO ontological commitment, except as a tool.

Qwerty14

If it makes you feel better there's absolutely no link between religious belief and intelligence. If there was, it would be that religious people are often more intelligent. The smartest people throughout history have all been religious and science itself has been built off the ideas of people of the cloth.

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LeopoldBloom · M

@Carazaa Science is continually refined, and when new observations contradict the existing theory, it can be modified or replaced.

Do you want a list of everywhere the Bible has been shown to be wrong through observation?

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors

Carazaa · F

@LeopoldBloom No because it is biased. The Bible has never been wrong.

LeopoldBloom · M

@Carazaa I just posted a link to a site listing several areas where the Bible is clearly wrong.

So basically, you're telling me to believe the Bible over my own senses. That's ludicrous.

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Carazaa · F

ha ha ha, that is a different argument! No I think this man is super smart, and he believes that Jesus made the water so he can walk on it!

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