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I Love The Great Mysteries Of The Universe

Just found this Wikileaks video and found it so fascinating,I had to share it.

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[c=#BF0080]Are y'all just joking around.. there's no way someone believes this.[/c]
berangere · 80-89, F
Please keep an open mind and make some research.
Northwest · M
@pinkrainbowkisses thinks they are joking around. Sadly, no, they are not. They have proof, this video of an interview of a person from our future.

Out of curiosity, since they think dogma and politics, destroyed the world, I wonder why they hate anything that's not white and Christian
berangere · 80-89, F
@Northwest: Hello my friend.So this tickled your fancy!
Northwest · M
@berangere: As a joke, perhaps. The "Alien", looked a little like the Fremont Troll. I wonder why he was using a speech synthesizer?

With 200 Billion galaxies, and 10 to the power 24 planets (at a minimum) planets, along with their planetary systems, it's logical to think of lifeforms, other than ours. Some may have a physical form, and some may not.

If you have an understanding of string theory, then you will also believe, that there are parallel universes, that mirror ours, or look very different.

This means, that we're probably not alone out there. To initiate contact, or reach us, these cultures must be extremely advanced. They would have to travel beyond the speed of light, and be able to manipulate space/time, to remain in the same time zone, as their contemporaries, you would think that they could avoid something as mundane, as a "crash", and rely on things, like YouTube and audio synthesizers.

The sad thing though, is that you actually believe this youtube video. I don't mean the content, but the actual video. The content, is common sense, any forward thinking Physicist will tell you that.
berangere · 80-89, F
@Northwest:Disregarding the "joke" remark, I have given thoughts to all what to describe and I deny none of it,we are not sufficiently advanced with our science to be able to prove or disprove any of it,but scientists have already posited some of it and to deny it would be a form of bigotry not to say short sighted. For centuries the Christian church has taught that God put humans and all other life on earth ONLY, disregarding the rest of his infinite universe and sadly many people have bought into it and have refused all others theories and even in our enlightened age some continue to follow those religious "teachings"and deny any life outside earth. Whether that video is real or not I do not know but I keep an open mind.I do believe the Roswell story though.
Wraithorn · 51-55, M
@Pink. People are looking for the truth nowadays because they are starting to realize that their governments have been lying to them for a long time. I'm talking about governments worldwide but the USA has been leading that disinformation project .

I'm not saying that I think this video is of a real alien. It could be disinformation or a distraction or just something to make people like you think that people who seek truth are stupid.

What you need to realize is that the people you vote for in USA are not in charge. They are just puppets of the CIA who control politics from behind the scenes with black ops.

Do you need proof of that ? Then go to a site called ISGP the Institute for the study of Globalization and covert Politics. There you will find in depth and perfectly explained investigative reports on 9/11 and the assassination of JFK. If you have the inclination and enough patience to read that much then you will see that your government has been lying to you quite blatantly for many years. You will also find an article there which explains quite clearly how the political right wing and left wing belong to the same "bird". They are both controlled by the CIA.

Once you have done that then Google "The disclosure project" and listen to and read the evidence of the witnesses who just so happen to have some serious credentials. I'm not saying that everything that Steven Grear says is absolute truth but he has also exposed many government cover-ups which have to do with things like trillions of dollars of tax payers money being spent on black ops that have to do with advanced technology which was apparently gained by the reverse engineering of crashed alien space crafts.

did you know that the CIA allowed certain Nazi scientists to find refuge in the USA after the 2nd world war ? The reason for that is so that they could carry on with their Human experiments which they did in concentration camps. Experiments which include the severe torture of children.

Once you have read about and considered these things then maybe you will be ready to consider what is real and what is illusion.
[c=#BF0080]Sorry, I'm not buying this entire alien thing.. but thanks for explaining. Think about it.. do aliens have spaceships? Where do they get the materials from in space to make such a thing. Is there metal in space? Where do they get their lights? Is there a manufacture in space? Where do all these supplies come from? How about tools? Do they have magic powers to make these things or do they sneek into Home Depot or steal them from people's houses? They have to get here from space somehow, right? Or do they fly like birds?[/c]
Wraithorn · 51-55, M
@pinkrainbowkisses: What makes you think that aliens would manufacture space ships in space and not on a planet ? There are no less than 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone. That is not to even mention all the planets revolving around said stars like our planets revolve around our sun which is a star. There are no less than 1 billion galaxies in our universe. Resources are available all over the galaxy and the universe. Why would anyone or anything create a space ship in space and not on one of those planets ?

Also you are thinking about manufacture and production from a Human perspective. Do you really think that in a universe this massive that we are the most intelligent beings ?

I suggest that you need to read more about the subject before making judgments about other people and what they think.
[c=#BF0080]Ahhh gotcha.[/c]
Northwest · M
@Wraithorn: we will be building spaceships in space, within the next 50 years, using materials captured from asteroids.
berangere · 80-89, F
@Northwest: What you failed to realise when you told that young woman that we were not joking and "had proof"( which I did not mention by the way) regarding the possible authenticity of the video of the alien is that she considers the whole concept of alien life a joke, not just the video I posted and since you later agreed that alien life is in fact quite a possibility,you somewhat contradicted yourself.
Northwest · M
@berangere: while it's highly unlikely, that we're alone, in the universe, it is highly unlikely that the proof, is a YouTube video, of a captured alien.

When the Bible was written, the universe consisted of a portion of the Middle East. This is no longer the case. The guy who came up with the Big Bang theory, is a Belgian Jesuit priest, father le Maître, and his work was supported by the Church.

Conspiracy theorists love this secretive stuff, Roswell, etc. all fueled by Hollywood. Logic implies, that an advanced species, capable of reaching us, will not be using space saucers. However, science fiction, in the 50s and 60s, popularized the saucer as the state of the art in space travel.

Luckiky, popular science fiction's narrative, matched the crashed space ship.
berangere · 80-89, F
@Northwest: I suggest you research Roswell and project blue book more closely and listen in to some of the interviews,some of the people who were there at the time and experienced those events cannot all be liars or fantasists.If they are then they are extremely clever dissemblers and some would really be going out on a limb,I don't think they would be that foolish. As for Hollywood they will always have their own versions of things as they are in the entertainment business.
Northwest · M
@berangere:

[quote]What you failed to realise when you told that young woman that we were not joking and "had proof"( which I did not mention by the way) regarding the possible authenticity of the video of the alien is that she considers the whole concept of alien life a joke, not just the video I posted and since you later agreed that alien life is in fact quite a possibility,you somewhat contradicted yourself.
[/quote]

Do you understand what sarcasm means? Look it up if you don't.

The "joke", is your belief, that this video is real. What the "alien" says, is logical. The "joke", is that you believe the video itself is real. There's no contradiction, between my belief, that this video, is a such a crude hoax, I would have to question the rationality of the person posting it.

The fact that the universe is so vast, and our understanding of it, is so elementary, no one can prove, whether or not we're alone, but one can logically deduce, that we're not.
Northwest · M
@berangere: [quote] I suggest you research Roswell and project blue book more closely and listen in to some of the interviews,some of the people who were there at the time and experienced those events cannot all be liars or fantasists.If they are then they are extremely clever dissemblers and some would really be going out on a limb,I don't think they would be that foolish. As for Hollywood they will always have their own versions of things as they are in the entertainment business.[/quote]

I'm very familiar with the Roswell fantasies. The eyewitness accounts, all start, with accounts from one person, who lives in a world of his own, and is not educated enough to understand what's from this world, and what's not.

The "crashed" alien craft, is very likely a specialized, and at the time classified, balloon, designed to fly into a static height, and is equipped with a sophisticated, and at the time secret, microphones, designed to detect a potential nuclear test.

The US was aware that Kalus Fuchs, had smuggled nuclear bomb secrets to the Soviets, and that it was a matter of time, before the Soviets detonated their own. The detection work, was based on the theoretical existence of channels, in the upper atmosphere, similar to the ocean channels, where sound behaves differently, allowing specialized microphone arrays, to determine the intensity and location of a nuclear blast.

This was highly classified, and at the time, the military would have been super paranoid, about the public figuring it out, leading to the Soviets figuring out, how well we can spy on them.

The program ended up getting discarded, as it proved too expensive, too impractical, and not as accurate as they thought as it would be.

Science, not conspiracy theories, is my guide here. The Blackbird program, was a secret, until the late 1970s, and it's the source of many tales, of UFO flights, over California, Arizona, Nevada and New Mexico.

Again, and I don't think I emphasize this enough, if and when aliens visit, they're not going to be aboard flying saucers, as described in New Mexico. Interplanetary travel, required something quire different. If you also understand General and Special Relativity, you'll understand that it's not even likely to involve a spacecraft at all.

In short, if you're going to travel from planet A to planet B, the most likely way for this to happen, is to "bring" your destination on planer "B", to your current location on planet "A", and then put the destination on Planet "B", back where it belongs.
berangere · 80-89, F
@Northwest: If you call them fantasies you obviously have not looked into it, nor listened to any of the interviews relating to the subject. I think that you try a little bit too hard to discredit people's beliefs and well founded convictions,often you dismiss out of hand things that could well be true because YOU do not believe they could be true,things that people have researched and often mean a great deal to them and could be close to their hearts.Your theories are your theories,others have their own theories and devaluing them with so much gusto as you have done with me in many of our debates does show a lack of conciliation on your part and also a great lack of emotional intelligence,because things that you devalue so much could well be true after all,only you do not take the time to find out for yourself and continue denying them, I feel, just for the sake of being contradictory or for the fun of it.I have read many of your replies to other members of SW,you use the same tactic with them,you literally ride roughshod over them and try as you have done with me to make them doubt their own convictions and attempt to make them feel misinformed and not particularly very bright,it is a bit like gaslighting. No, it is in fact gaslighting! Many people have given up debating anything with you,because you literally have worn them out and they dreaded further congress with you.Some have even blocked you and some have not been as patient with you as I have been,because I believe in giving others a fair go.I will leave it at that.
Northwest · M
@berangere: You assume that the only outcome of reading the documents and watching the videos, is accepting your conclusion: that it's an alien crash, covered up by the givernment.

This is the wrong assumption.
Northwest · M
@berangere: [quote] I think that you try a little bit too hard to discredit people's beliefs and well founded convictions[/quote]

"people's"? You are not the general people. Don't mix my response to you, with everyone else.

[quote]often you dismiss out of hand things that could well be true because YOU do not believe they could be true,things that people have researched and often mean a great deal to them and could be close to their hearts.[/quote]

If you're referring to your hate speech, then rest assured, I don't dismiss it out of hand. I present well researched responses. You want to criminalize an entire religion. 1.2B people, because you don't believe ANY of them can be good. Never mind, that most of them are not out to kill or terrorize any of us. To you, even the Mayor of London, cannot possibly be a decent human being, because his religion teaches him to lie, so he pulled a con on Londoners, as the perfect Manchurian Candidate.

[quote]Your theories are your theories,others have their own theories and devaluing them with so much gusto as you have done with me in many of our debates does show a lack of conciliation on your part and also a great lack of emotional intelligence,because things that you devalue so much could well be true after all,only you do not take the time to find out for yourself and continue denying them, I feel, just for the sake of being contradictory or for the fun of it.[/quote]

I find it laughable, when you mention EQ. If you think you have any, rest assured, you have none. In every conversation I've had with you, only your opinions count. Presenting another perspective, turns me into an apologist, or a sucker who's taken in by the Muslims among us.

To you, it's not even a possibility, that people, in general, want to live and let live. 1.2B people, are out to kill us, and take over our societies. These are my co-workers, neighbors, the police and soldiers who protect all of us, captains of industry, etc.

I should simply accept your hate agenda, and move on.

[quote]I have read many of your replies to other members of SW,you use the same tactic with them,you literally ride roughshod over them and try as you have done with me to make them doubt their own convictions and attempt to make them feel misinformed and not particularly very bright,it is a bit like gaslighting. No, it is in fact gaslighting! Many people have given up debating anything with you,because you literally have worn them out and they dreaded further congress with you.Some have even blocked you and some have not been as patient with you as I have been,because I believe in giving others a fair go.I will leave it at that.[/quote]

Yes, I don't take easy on those who dispense hate. Of course, your group of haters is going to block me. Good riddance. You all can hate now, without interruption. Any opinion that does not agree with you, is gaslighting. If it's pointing out hate, using logical arguments, it is what it is.

Interesting though, that you discuss it among each other, to confirm to yourselves, that you're in the right, for attacking those who do not blindly hate, and they are apologists and suckers.

Block me, don't block me, I don't care, and I never cared when purveyors of international hate, block me.
berangere · 80-89, F
@Northwest:Have you really had a good look at Islam? I think not,how many times do I have to tell you that being concerned about an IDEOLOGY has nothing to do with RACE.Those who are opposed to ISLAM which is an IDEOLOGY and a very barbarous one are not haters,it is the followers of that ideology who are the haters.None of the videos I posted on this site regarding the practices of sharia law are hate videos,they are just exposing the BARBARITY of ISLAM,they are not racist videos,as ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.What is done in the name of Allah and his so called "prophet" Mohamed is HORRIFIC! So because I am exposing those horrors,I am "full of hate". Northwest you do not make any sense.Look what is happening in Sweden now and Germany and France and even Britain,look what "ordinary" Muslims who follow the dictates of Islam are doing there to the women and the people,calling their women prostitutes and gang raping them and you call me a hater!.We have had that debate over and over again.I am obviously talking to someone who is deluded and wasting my time.Yes I believe in "live and let live",this is why it horrifies me when I hear ordinary Muslims and not just extremist ones being interviewed in the streets saying that they wish they lived under sharia law and that sharia law will soon be the law of their adopted land,I suppose you know what sharia law is and what it entails? One young Muslim woman saying that she did not mind having her hand cut off if she was guilty of theft,she preferred this to going to prison for three months! How warped is this? Imagine losing a hand? Why do I even bother answering you posts?!!
berangere · 80-89, F
Northwest@ Now, who is being hateful there? Now you will say that by my pointing out that those things happen and quite frequently in western countries who accepted large amount of Muslim migrants under the "refugee" scheme,I am hate mongering.I am not saying that ALL Muslim men behave that way but a comparatively large proportion of Muslims who take their religion literally and want to impose it on others act that way towards women.And as the majority of Muslim "refugees" who entered western countries like Sweeden and Germany were unaccompanied MEN,this is the result.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi8rsK_q73QAhVHEpQKHc-kBQMQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fconservativepost.com%2Fmuslim-refugee-spit-in-the-face-of-swedish-woman-after-they-did-this-atrocity-to-her%2F&usg=AFQjCNEfkLfY5muOqGvq2Ft1UZ9m8jYKhA
Northwest · M
@berangere: Are you really comparing yourself, to radical Muslims? What's the point of this video? How many times, do I need to tell you, that you don't need to convince me that there aren't radicals out there. I never ONCE argued that there are no Muslim radicals and terrorists.

You don't need to be Muslim to be hateful.
berangere · 80-89, F
@Northwest: When did I ever compare myself to radical Muslims,what the Dickens are you talking about??? And this is not a video.And again I am not hateful,pointing out horrendous practices carried out in the name of an IDEOLOGY is NOT being hateful.You are blind sited!
Northwest · M
@berangere: You said " Now, who is being hateful there?" in answer to me telling you that you are hateful. You supplied a web site, showing Muslim radicals or rioters, acting up their hate. Why would you do that?

Using the indiscretions of a minority, to justify your hatred of the majority, is pure hate. I you've forgotten, the picture of the little blonde girl, in a see of black chadors, the symbolism of your posted, is not forgotten, not is lost on me.
berangere · 80-89, F
Sadly,Those who follow the teachings of Mohamed and Allah are NOT in the minority,to believe they are is a delusion and a very dangerous one and pointing this danger out is not being hateful but AWARE,as for the little white girl, you interpreted this how you wanted to,you saw what you wanted to see as I am NOT a racist,this was meant to portray OPPRESSION,the colouring of the picture was not referring to race,but to a state of being.
Northwest · M
@berangere: Don't blame me for seeing EXACTLY what YOU posted. Please don't continue to confuse yourself. You are using the term RACIST. This is about religion, not racism. The race of the girl is not about race, but about a traditionally Christian society, where you're not going to find dark people, being invaded by the Chadors.

Subconsciously, people expose themselves in the darnest of ways.

I would recommend you listen to some of Martin Luther King's, and other black activists speeches. The analogy here, extends to discrimination, using subtle ways. Like the gasoline commercial, where all the white cars finish and the black car breaks down.