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U.S. History has certainly placed slavery in a more seeable context, for me. That said, anti-white rhetoric is fucked up.

I feel like with all the slave movies and the consistently anti-white rhetoric being thrown around, it's easy to feel lost in the moment or feel antagonized. The idea of "white fragility," essentially states this: If you respond negatively to anything involving minorities, then this is simply a result of your innate racism as a white person. This is sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't. The claim essentially makes it impossible to form any sort of complaint involving anything regarding race.

That said, there's no denying how fucked up slavery was in Colonial America. And that the effects persisted through to the 1960s. It wasn't until then that "white America" actually began thinking, "Oh, Slavery was pretty fucked up, huh?" In tandem with the Civil Rights movement.

However, this also betrays the fundamental premise of humanity, if it's viewed in a vacuum. Africans sold Africans into European, Middle Eastern, and American slavery. Romans had slaves. Japanese internment camps with human experimentation on U.S. soldiers. Viking enslavement of Europeans. Mongolian enslaving. etc. etc. North African Moors stealing 1 million whites off the coast of Europe.

This is all to say, this was not a unique thing that whites specifically did to blacks. It was a human thing to enslave throughout most of history. That only changed very recently. And the reason for slavery changed very recently, too. It was never racially based, or even economically based, but more as a result of war. This was very true in Africa, where war chiefs would enslave the survivors of wars--granted, the level of depravity and shittiness didn't really meet the level of Colonial America.

In fact, this idea of "whiteness" didn't even exist until the 1800s. If you were to ask an Irishman--my ancestors--who had been the recipients of thousands of years of brutality at the hands of the English--whether they were "white", well, you'd be served with, "Um, no, I'm not white. Englishmen are white, and we are NOT them." Before then, this idea of "whiteness" was separated into groups: There were Germans, French, English, etc, etc. They were not combined into one singular race.

White racism and white superiority was a fundamentally systematic viewpoint that developed from the top down--rich, wealthy planters: plantation owners, this was like 1% of the white population--successfully developed to dissuade white indentured servants from fighting together with black slaves, as happened in several rebellions. In other words, the ideas of white supremacy were injected artificially into the white populace then blew out of proportion--even when only 1% of whites actually had huge plantations. And say 2% of whites actually owned slaves, because they were so expensive. $30,000 for one slave.

When America was first formed in the 16th century, it was even legally allowable for blacks to own their own slaves or marry white women. That was shocking, to me, because we're always fed this, "Slavery was always this horrible thing." It became horrid beyond words, but it didn't start out that way. Slaves could even buy out their contracts if they worked hard.

Anyway, I still feel a lot of rage towards the prevailing anti-white rhetoric revolved around "Critical Race Theory" which seems to be the dominant thinking pattern in academia, at the moment. But, I'm glad I took this history class, because it has certainly put things a bit more in perspective. Seeing an objective measure and seeing from both sides makes it a lot more tempered.

For those of you wondering what "Critical Race Theory" is: A shorthand is that you are not you, you are your race. In other words, if you are black, you are oppressed, even if you're a rich lawyer who grew up with doctor parents who went to Harvard. And if you are white, you are part of the problem and need to understand that it's your job to balance the equation of racial inequities--even if you were born in a trailer park and ate out of trash cans and begged to survive, like my mom.

The scary thing is that this is, legitimately, what is being taught in higher education--especially in Ivy League schools.

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Northwest · M
The real scary thing, is the "Heritage Foundation" convinced another soul of its misinterpretation of Critical Race Theory.

[quote]I feel like with all the slave movies[/quote]

What are the "slave movies"? Can you be a little more specific?

[quote]and the consistently anti-white rhetoric being thrown around[/quote]

So then, "slave movies" are anti-white rhetoric? or is the latter something else? If so, what would that be?

[quote]it's easy to feel lost in the moment or feel antagonized. The idea of "white fragility," essentially states this: If you respond negatively to anything involving minorities, then this is simply a result of your innate racism as a white person. This is sort of damned if you do and damned if you don't. The claim essentially makes it impossible to form any sort of complaint involving anything regarding race.
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Are there any examples?

[quote]That said, there's no denying how fucked up slavery was in Colonial America. And that the effects persisted through to the 1960s. It wasn't until then that "white America" actually began thinking, "Oh, Slavery was pretty fucked up, huh?" In tandem with the Civil Rights movement.[/quote]

You did not mean colonial America, did you? Because we were not a colony between 1976 and 1865. We were the United States or America. In fact, racism was cooked into our Constitution, from day one. A black man in a free State is worth just two-fifths more than a black man in a slave State, as a basis of political power under the Constitution.

[quote]
However, this also betrays the fundamental premise of humanity, if it's viewed in a vacuum. Africans sold Africans into European, Middle Eastern, and American slavery. Romans had slaves. Japanese internment camps with human experimentation on U.S. soldiers. Viking enslavement of Europeans. Mongolian enslaving. etc. etc. North African Moors stealing 1 million whites off the coast of Europe.

This is all to say, this was not a unique thing that whites specifically did to blacks. It was a human thing to enslave throughout most of history. That only changed very recently. And the reason for slavery changed very recently, too. It was never racially based, or even economically based, but more as a result of war. This was very true in Africa, where war chiefs would enslave the survivors of wars--granted, the level of depravity and shittiness didn't really meet the level of Colonial America.[/quote]

Slaves in the ancient world, were treated as free labor, not as inferior human beings. Slavery in the United States was based on the premise that an African person was inferior in every way, in addition to being free labor.

But it's so Heritage Foundation to attempt to "white" wash it, as 'gee, what do you want from me? everyone did it, so stop picking on the poor white slave owners'.


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In fact, this idea of "whiteness" didn't even exist until the 1800s. If you were to ask an Irishman--my ancestors--who had been the recipients of thousands of years of brutality at the hands of the English--whether they were "white", well, you'd be served with, "Um, no, I'm not white. Englishmen are white, and we are NOT them." Before then, this idea of "whiteness" was separated into groups: There were Germans, French, English, etc, etc. They were not combined into one singular race.[/quote]

Now you're just making stuff up. Starting with the fact that England has not existed for thousands of years. Not to mention that this is another distraction. It has NOTHING to do with the USA.

[quote]
White racism and white superiority was a fundamentally systematic viewpoint that developed from the top down--rich, wealthy planters: plantation owners, this was like 1% of the white population--successfully developed to dissuade white indentured servants from fighting together with black slaves, as happened in several rebellions. In other words, the ideas of white supremacy were injected artificially into the white populace then blew out of proportion--even when only 1% of whites actually had huge plantations. And say 2% of whites actually owned slaves, because they were so expensive. $30,000 for one slave.[/quote]

More white washing. How does this change our history?

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When America was first formed in the 16th century, it was even legally allowable for blacks to own their own slaves or marry white women. That was shocking, to me, [b][i]because we're always fed this, "Slavery was always this horrible thing."[/i][/b] It became horrid beyond words, but it didn't start out that way. Slaves could even buy out their contracts if they worked hard.[/quote]

IKR? What was so horrible about being a slave? You did not have to worry about having a place to live, you got a couple of meals a day, you were trim and fit thanks to all that exercise and you did not have to pay anything, just like we do today for gyms.

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Anyway, [b][i]I still feel a lot of rage[/i][/b] towards the prevailing anti-white rhetoric revolved around "Critical Race Theory" which seems to be the dominant thinking pattern in academia, at the moment. But, I'm glad I took this history class, because it has certainly put things a bit more in perspective. Seeing an objective measure and seeing from both sides makes it a lot more tempered.
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IKR? The struggle is real. As a white man, I am sick and tired of all the discrimination. In the good ole days, I could own a slave, and blame it on the guy who sold it to me.

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For those of you wondering what "Critical Race Theory" is: A shorthand is that you are not you, you are your race. In other words, if you are black, you are oppressed, even if you're a rich lawyer who grew up with doctor parents who went to Harvard. And if you are white, you are part of the problem and need to understand that it's your job to balance the equation of racial inequities--even if you were born in a trailer park and ate out of trash cans and begged to survive, like my mom.

The scary thing is that this is, legitimately, what is being taught in higher education--especially in Ivy League schools.[/quote]

The scary thing, is how illeterates can so easily believe the likes of the "Heritage Foundation", whose existence is dependent on useful idiots.
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@Northwest I appreciate the thoroughness of your comment; I will try to get back to you in proper form. You seem rather emotional about the topic, however, so I can't say I'm eager to meet you on the field of battle--I prefer philosophical discussion in the pursuit of mutual truth.

Until then, you could read White Fragility and how Coca Cola hired the lady who wrote it, in regards to them giving their employees training on "How to be less white."

If you want to have some fun, guess the product + social justice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDIPdkCvNSU

Finally, I would like to ask you a simple question before we go any further. Do you even believe it possible for there to be racism against whites?
Northwest · M
@Tatsumi [quote] You seem rather emotional about the topic[/quote]

Are you a trained therapist? How did you come to this conclusion. Perhaps you think you're a Jedi Knight? It's not like I'm the one who used terms like [b][i][u]"I still feel a lot of rage"[/u][/i][/b]. Could you possibly be [b][i][u]emotional[/u][/i][/b] about the topic?

I really don't need to view any out of context Youtube videos about Robin DeAngelo. People like you should understand what context means, it would really help. Let me give you a hint: it is NOT racism against whites.
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@Northwest Hence the word "seem"...

Sure okay bro. Conversation with you no longer interests me. I hope your life goes well, truly.
Northwest · M
@Tatsumi [quote]Hence the word "seem"...[/quote]

Excepts that it does NOT seem. But you would know, right, because you feel the rage. 🤣

[quote]Sure okay bro. Conversation with you no longer interests me. I hope your life goes well, truly.
[/quote]

In other words, you have nothing to back your [b][i][u]rage[/u][/i][/b].
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@Northwest You're not a particularly adaptable or philosophical personality type, are you? Your argument style is sheer venom and spite.

You SEEM to care nothing of truth or debate--only of victory and domination. Or perhaps you simply enjoy attacking others? Either way, I would strongly recommend you seek therapy.

Is that the only kind of human connection you know? Are you incapable of civilized conversation?
Northwest · M
@Tatsumi [quote]You're not a particularly adaptable or philosophical personality type, are you?[/quote]

Here you go again with the psychological analysis. You're clearly not a professional in this space, and most importantly, I did not submit to an analysis.

[quote]Your argument style is sheer venom and spite.[/quote]

That's what people like you call facts.

[quote]You SEEM to care nothing of truth or debate[/quote]

Yet, I provided a complete, point by point, dispassionate response to every single claim you made., backed with sources.

[quote]nly of victory and domination. Or perhaps you simply enjoy attacking others? Either way, I would strongly recommend you seek therapy.[/quote]

Yet, it seems that in this discussion, you're the only using personal attacks.

[quote]Is that the only kind of human connection you know?[/quote]

Accusing others of what you're doing. Perfect.

[quote]Are you incapable of civilized conversation?
[/quote]

I responded with facts, not attacks, I did not convey rage, you did, and I did not ask you to seek therapy, you did. Clearly, you're not capable of responding to the facts I posted. If you are, you would have done so, instead of resorting to personal attacks. Good luck to you. I am done with this conversation.
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@Northwest Good. You should have been done a long time ago, obviously.

Finally agreeing with me on one thing.
Tatsumi · 31-35, M
@Northwest P.S. You spelled "illeterates" incorrectly, which I find endlessly amusing, for one so arrogant. I'm sure, however, you meant 100% to do that out of irony. Of course.