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I believe that Guns can be used to Save Lives. Do You?

http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
HarryDemon
Of course they can. They also end lives. America is not doing enough to keep them out of the hands of people who are not fit to hold them.
conceptualclarity
One thing that gives me skepticism about gun control is this: under the Soviet Union private gun ownership was banned. As the grip of totalitarianism loosened at the end of Gorbachev's rule, the Armenians and Azerbaijainis got to be seriously at odds. In spite of the prohibition of guns, armed militias sprang up overnight, and they were fighting even before the formal collapse of the USSR. It suggests to me that where there is a demand for guns, the black market will very speedily meet it.
HarryDemon
To be honest, Mr. Clarity, I don't know much about what the gun laws were in the Soviet Union, so I don't think I can fairly comment on that. But yes, laws can always be broken. I just think it is the duty of the government of a country to do the best it can to protect the population, and certainly, here in the UK, strict gun control has been very successful. A lot of Americans have argued that guns are necessary in case they need to overthrow a tyrannical government. I am all for overthrowing tyrants, but I don't really buy that. I think the army is going to be a bit better armed than the militias, and I reckon the government would decide to take the second amendment away pretty quickly if it believed something like that was about to kick off. I wonder what you think about that?
conceptualclarity
The gun laws in the USSR were no ownership allowed for private citizens. I agree that the scenario of private gun ownership being enough to stop tyranny comes with doubts. What's equally important is that a population have a fighting spirit like the founders had. Right now, Obama is destroying American democracy and republicanism and getting a major assist in that from the power-usurping Supreme Court, which cast tens of millions of Americans' ballots in the latrine with its imposition of redefinition of marriage. (It is only the latest outrageous usurpation by the Court.) Obama has also usurped the legislative power by ruling by decree, a violent break with the Constitution and precedent, and he unleashed the Internal Revenue Service to persecute his political opponents, which is far worse than Watergate and constitutes the worst political criminality probably by any administration in US history. He has broken his oath to uphold the laws by forbidding the enforcement of immigration law, and he has indeed released thousands of convicted illegal alien criminals into the populace so they can breed future Democrats rather than deporting them. Because the press is mostly leftwing and runs interference for him and browbeats all his foes as "racists" for criticizing even his most egregious deeds, the public response has been muted. The more effective way to impose tyranny on the US is not to announce you're staging a Communist revolution, but to pretend to work within the American system even while you are ruthlessly dismantling it as Obama is doing. It's a frog-in-the-kettle effect. I have to admit sadly that guns are not much use in the face of this craftier approach to tyranny.
conceptualclarity
Yes. The government fosters hoodlum culture in this country by promoting the matriarchal family among blacks and Hispanics. It has no business preventing citizens from defending themselves from the hoodlums it helps create.
HarryDemon
By the way, lickitysplit, the link in this posting doesn't work. Those things only seem to work when posted in replies, not in the main piece.
Hikingguy
I would have to agree with you!
techkb52
Yes I do.

 
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