I Want You To Open Your Eyes And See What Is In Front Of You

I was wondering how long it would before you made an appearance? I open with this quote because I have been called a "bigot"a and an "islamophobe" and a "racist" and I want to point out that: NOT IT IS NOT A HATE POST, IT IS POINTING AT THE FACTS! That is why I start with "this is not a hate post" because my message to those who are misguided about what Islam is doing to the world NOW, IT IS NOT A HATE POST!!

@berangere: capitalizing, does not change the sentiment. Hate is all consuming

@Northwest: Excuse me! Telling the truth is NOT HATE! I resent being told I hate when I don't,I am NOT the one who hates. WAKE UP!

@berangere: whatever gets you to sleep at night. The fact is, you are not concerned about Muslims as human beings. They are all the same to you, and every single one, is a lying murderer, waiting to drive a dagger, into the hearts of cute, curly haired, blond little girls.

@Northwest: You are judging me,yet you know little about me.I am talking about the growing numbers of radicalised Muslim.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj4vZvig_XQAhVInpQKHQ5qCBAQqQIIGzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fuk%2F370137-police-arrest-terror-plot%2F&usg=AFQjCNHXbGLFLxTf-P08n4bcoOnepJmNZA

@berangere: And don't keep harping about the cute blond little girl,it is becoming tiresome.I have already explained to you what that picture represented to me and it had nothing to do with racism,as I am not a racist and never was.

@berangere: No more tiresome, than the same stuff, you keep posting. I did not say anything about racism in this thread. Stick to a point. We're discussing religion.

@Northwest: You mentioned the little blond girl that you equated to my being a Nazi, earlier in one of our debates.And this time you talk about Muslims waiting to plant their daggers into the hearts of cute,curly haired little blonde girls.If that is not an attempt to paint me as a racist then what is it?
And as you know Islam is not just a religion but am IDEOLOGY.

@berangere: I don't know that you're a Nazi, and I never claimed you were. If, however you are, then it would explain a few things.

My comment, is about the fear,you were spreading. You were the one, who posted the image, of a little blond girl, in a sea of shador-clad women. The implication is that Islam is a threat to the Western world.

What I know,is that all religions are ideologies, but you only bring up a single religion. Even when a Muslim, is elected Mayor of London, you still deny his right to be the Mayor, and treat him as if he was a fake and a plant, saying only what we want hear, when his agenda is to turn the U.K. into an Islamic State.

You're not concerned about the abused Muslim women. You just don't their kind polluting your western utopia.

@Northwest: Yes, Islam is a threat to the western world,It is ! Get used to it! It is not the Christians,nor the Buddhist nor any other ideology that are causing such carnage around the world.It is the MUSLIMS,I am not saying ALL Muslims are like this but those who spread terror in the world by any means,are following the q'ran to the letter and try to imitate the life and actions of their prophet Mohamed,this is why child marriages are allowed in Muslim countries.A girl of nine is considered to having reached puberty! I am not spreading fear,I don't have to, terrorism and other random attacks are causing plenty, and do not put words in my mouth, I am very concerned about Muslim women and never said nor implied that I did not want their kind polluting my western utopia,where the dickens did you get that nonsense from? You are talking pure drivel now!

@Northwest:

@berangere:

Ignorance, and xenophobia are the the real threats.


I beg to differ. Since the beginning of the 20th century, the wars started by "Christians" have caused tens of millions of deaths. Even if we don't want to go back that far, and stick to the 21st century, we will see that the Iraq invasion, which George Bush saw as a mission from God, has already killed millions.

Syria, ISIS, mass migration of people, are all the fruits of that poison tree. Only a xenophobe would not see that. As a matter of fact, "Christian" nations, have the bulk of the destructive weapons, nukes, in the world. Followed closely by the formerly Buddhists.

Of course you don't see that, because you're a xenophobe.


As a matter of fact, this is not the first time, I bring this to your attention. So, yes, this is exactly what you said and implied. When you reject the women and children, who are fleeing war, and ISIS oppression, that's exactly what you're doing.


I guess this is the part you use as proof that you're not generalizing? Child marriages are not allowed in Muslim countries. They are allowed in a handful of backward Muslim countries, but even in those countries, that's not the normal thing to do. If you are so concerned about them, you would have no problem, allowing refugees into the Western world.

Xenophobia and racism, are birds of a feather. They fly together. Your position: I don't want Muslims in the Western world, because they have a hidden agenda, and even the Mayor of London, is not immune, is the equivalent of the KKK, in the US: we don't hate blacks, we just want them to live in their cities, preferably go to Africa, and leave America to us.

Being afraid of terrorism and an ideology and culture that is totally repressive to human rights and is on the way to being imposed on us,is NOT being an ignorant nor a xenophobe.The is plenty of proof to this,you just have to look at Germany,Sweden and France to see what male Muslim immigrants are doing to those countries,if you do not see,then it is because you choose not to and that in my books is to be totally ignorant and deliberately blind.I am not rejecting the children and women who are fleeing war this is another thing where you are totally wrong,GENUINE refugees need help and most of those migrant Muslim males are NOT,they are economic refugees coming from countries NOT Syria . And as I have said before Islam IS NOT A RACE ,there are Islamist in all races of people and all over the world,so stop persisting with trying to label me as a racist which I am not and take time to have a good look at Islam starting with the Q'ran.Now I am wasting my time continuing this debate with you.Stop making people say what they have not said and stop attempting to pass them off for what they are not.I have no more to say!

@berangere:
Really? the Mayor of London is a terrorist?


Really? the Mayor of London is totally repressive to human rights?


Separating the economic refugees, from war refugees, I would say that third world refugees, regardless of their religion, have not been introduced into European societies in a proper fashion. You're also mixing things up. France has its own set of issues, related to the illegal population, from its former colonies. The rest, is a European problem, where the leadership, failed.


Of course you are. You're saying that a Muslim, is automatically, a liar, a murderer and a deceiver. The perfect example, is the Mayor of London, and what you said about him. At a minimum, I am not fooling myself, like you are.


I've read the Qur'an and parts of the Hadith, in the original Arabic. I am fluent. I am also fluent in French, and a few other languages. I've also read up, quite about the rise of Islam, and the history of the world in general. I don't get my information from hate web sites, with blinders on, like you do.

I can debate you, what the Qur'an means, in historical perspectives, but that might lead to an informative debate, something you have no interest in.

@Northwest:

@berangere: Note that I am quoting you. I'm sure you're going to come up with more videos, from hate sites.

@Northwest: Any videos I could post,and all of those I have posted tell the truth,would be wasted on you and all other Islam apologists.

@berangere:
You mean people who are not haters. Thank you.

@Northwest: It means people who are blind to what is going on because of leftist ideas starting with "multiculturalism" so called and I will leave it at that.