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Shouldn't boys be allowed to be boys?

I think so, which is why the new Gillett advert is quite disturbing:

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This is brain dead and tone deaf commentary, but the ad also sucks on its own.
MrSimons · 41-45, M
@RandomForest Tell me more.
@MrSimons About what? The ad sucks because Gillette is a razor company and social commentary is not needed in corporate advertising. The commentary sucks because it attempts to nullify actual social issues with an argumentum ad absurdum which I will only categorize as fallacious.
MrSimons · 41-45, M
@RandomForest I think The Iconoclast makes some very good points in the video. For example, two boys play fighting is perfectly natural and perfectly healthy and shouldn't be seen as a bad thing. He is also right to make the point that men and women are different. One of the buzz phrases today in Western culture is "celebrating difference." All that seems to go out of the window when it comes to gender.
@MrSimons That overlooks all the real substantial problems with men in the world. It's a reduction to the absurd which is no way to make a point.
MrSimons · 41-45, M
@RandomForest Could you elaborate on that, please?
@MrSimons The logical fallacy in his argument. No, it's pretty blatant if you've ever taken a logic or argument class.
MrSimons · 41-45, M
@RandomForest I have some familiarity with logic and logical fallacies. I am not seeing how he committed the fallacy you're referring to though. He seemed to me to be responding to what was brought up in the video, e.g. the two boys play fighting.
@MrSimons No one is saying that men and women are exactly the same. What we're asking for is that they be treated the same in areas where their differences are irrelevant, and that those differences be accommodated when necessary.
MrSimons · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom Well, I completely agree with what you have said there. It's a pity the modern day feminists don't want that.
@MrSimons Judging all feminists by a few loudmouths is like judging all men by Elliott Rodgers.
MrSimons · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom From what I have seen, modern feminists don't seem to want equality. They seem to want the playing field tilted towards them. And there does seem to be an attack on traditional notions of masculinity (particularly white males), exemplified by that Gilett advert and I can quite understand why people are taking exception to it.
@MrSimons A few of them do, just like there are a few MRAs and Incels on the opposite side who want to return to a male-dominated society where women have no rights and would be required to have sex with any man who asked them.

If you're threatened or offended by the Gillette ad, you may be closer to the Elliott Rodger side than you care to admit.
MrSimons · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom No, I can't say I have ever felt the urge to go on a murderous rampage.
@MrSimons Same church, different pew.
MrSimons · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom I really am struggling with what to say to that. It's probably one of the most bigoted comments I have seen for a while. You don't know anything about me other than what I have said on here, but you feel that's enough to lump me with someone who went on a murderous rampage because he couldn't get laid. It goes back to what I said about Hilary Clinton dismissing the other side as a basket of deplorables. All you're doing is increasing support for the other side and helping to ensure that Donald Trump and people like him get elected. I suppose I should encourage you to carry on:).

I don't have time now to respond to your other comments. I have to get ready to go and do one of those female dominated jobs you devalued as being"crappy."
@MrSimons When I pointed out obvious inequalities between the genders, your response was "certain jobs appeal to men more than women and vice versa." I take that to mean women prefer waiting tables and cleaning up baby shit while men prefer to run Fortune 500 companies and serve in Congress. That, my friend, is a load of crap. Fortunately, the misogynistic president we have right now is changing that, although not intentionally - more women were elected to Congress in 2018 than ever before in a direct response to having a man in the White House who boasts about sexually assaulting women.

I'm just saying you need to examine your assumptions. You're not as far from Elliott Rodger as you think you are.
MrSimons · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom Except I listed a whole load of professions such as nursing, teaching and being a vet which are dominated by women. Not that waiting on tables (also done by a lot of men) or being a stay at home mother (I assume that's what you meant by the baby shit comment) ought to be devalued either, particularly the latter. I should also point out that there are a lot less than glamorous jobs done mostly by men, but I don't suppose it matters if not many women choose to empty dustbins.

I never denied that there has been gender inequality in the past, which why I have said there should an even playing field. My only point is that the playing field shouldn't be tilted in favour of women to disadvantage men, as though it's some kind of tit for tat game, because that's not equality.

Donald Trump didn't boast about sexually assaulting women if you listen to his remarks properly. He said, "let you do it," implying consent. What he said was disgusting, but don't make it out to be something it was not.

No, I don't have anything in common with Elliott Rodger. That's just you being a bigot again. That's really all that needs to be said about that.