Do you ever wonder about why humans like to divide themselves into exclusive, insulated and increasingly smaller groups?

Especially in regards to sociopoliticial issues, though not only there. It happens in pretty much everything. The natural response of a large group forming often seems to be to break away into increasingly niche groups over time, even if the end result sabotages or contradicts their initial goal. Often paired with an outright refusal to reach out and band together to solve the problem that is faced. Do you think it's some kind of evolutionary psychological response to reduce overpopulation maybe? Like to break up tribal groups in primitive man.

And for the record I do get it, that people like having an exclusive group to belong to and call their own and that it simplifies worldview to just basically shut off outside input. It's comforting in a strange and perverse way.

I for some reason doubt this will get much if any in the way of serious responses, but whatever. Mostly just elucidating thought.

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LomeMarsupial Best Comment

I feel like there is more and more information to decipher as technologies increase.
There are parts of the brain that appear to make decision-processes about what to trust and what to fear.
Fear might cause tighter niches or tribe-groups, due to forming to protect whatever ideas they formed their sect upon in the first places.

Information travels quicker and quicker. The access to that information still has to be filtered through people deciding if those ideas are trustworthy or scary.
It has been a question if the brain region that assimilates information into being trustworthy and non-threatening is not keeping up development with the pace that information itself is dispersed.

Almost a separate thought, would be that, as recognition of more and more people comes into being, the need for attention and being noticed is massively increasing.
What keeps uniqueness alive is the contrast or difference between things, is it not? All of these sub-groups, and sub-sub groups, etc, would seem to be drawing survival to the individual getting some reminder that one's self exists. To be 'lost in the crowd' is almost unforgiveable in today's attention-oriented culture. It is almost like a death, if not of an ego-parameter, at least.

The subject is super broad, though, and it is hard to 'nip a particular flower in the bud.'

If you want a really far out idea, and I know people might already think the above is aloof. Totally absolutely fine,
but I'd have to consider that the tighter these sub-groups become, wouldn't they rely more deeply on maintaining the enemies or adversaries that define them? And are solutions going to seem open or is it a better thing, in general, how these 'inversion realities' manifest when group tribes cannot reach their goals because of that?

Hey man, be careful with these lines of questioning. They could break up social-disorder

UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M

@LomeMarsupial While I agree there is an increasing amount of information out there and it has well-outstripped the individual human ability to learn, I think that's been true for centuries now and it's not nearly as new a phenomenon as some like to make it out to be. It's just much more [i]obvious[/i] now, like how some ignorant folk will make the claim mass killings and serial killers are modern phenomena but that's not true at all. It's just that modern communication makes it more visible where prior it was easier to live in a bubble of illusory safety and never realize it.

Contrast is important for perspective but perspective is often lost in these insular groups. The closing off of open exchange of outside information/communication leads to a critical lack of self-awareness that can be quite highly detrimental. The emphasis on media attention for individuality is a very modern phenomenon, however, and I don't think it's very sound to conflate that with some kind of ego death. As someone who has undergone chemical induced ego death, that is a very very different thing than someone panicking over not getting enough YouTube likes.

Super broad is probably a bit of an understatement here. 😅

Absolutely they become more antagonistic over time. I could cite you hundreds of historical examples of that, easily. Terror groups are the most obvious, and boy have there been a lot of those since the Crusades.

Haha, social order is already unravelling at the moment without my intervention. 😁

LomeMarsupial

@UndeadPrivateer Well then it's all a wash.
We have to adjust on the spot.
or else!

Problems are good for attention,
and dwelling.

The inquisition and eden seem timelessly available.

Some might even find aphrodisia in the world of so much turmoil.

We could theoretically all become dames. The namer of the concept becomes the mastermind.
But that is anybody, and everybody.

So it's all a wash. But Joe Walsh is also a wash. Its mostly his fault.

A lot of people are bummed the end of the world (sic) did not happen. Some wish fulfill its still on its way. its a tough jiffy because without it we still have choice, to adjust. And pretend to be the organizers and benders.. of frequencies all out mothas should slap us for really trying to put names to. Or should they??

I hear ya! But nobody's any more ignorant than anybody else, really.
(That's in rule section 342 C. Of the 554th book, on the 12th shelf in the BIG library. The one the Masons tried to splotch their logo over.)

Anyway, in the end, we all survive. And that stuff keeps going on. Unfortunately, the Beatles were right, however. Which is painful to admit. When super-sensory-vibratory, some jackass hippie said, the Beatles were right, anyway. Probably Marlyn Monroe, too, our new symbol goddess and empress. But with low-empathy vibration, then the band Hatebreed is correct. and Joe Walsh >:-[]

"Your ego death ain't my ego death."
T.D. Lingo

No that's just, every one goes through this in your own process.
I mean, their own process. Should we stand one another, we become one.
Until then, it's a slip and slide. And you're right until you think others disagreeing has anything to do with anything.

That's why it gets this way. Too many hot mommas walking around and not enough weasels in the barn yard.

Ehh I mean to say chicks.

Nothing is safe

in the barn yard

UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M

@LomeMarsupial Yes.

JustNik · 51-55, F

It’s easier to be a big fish in a small pond. That’s one possibility. Add in others like comfort and belonging. The larger the crowd, the more alone and invisible you are. Just ideas. I would think there would be different paths to this same destination.

UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M

@JustNik Not all social groups are a crowd though, lots of social structures allow for large scale collaboration while maintaining personal connection to peers. That's a bit of a false dichotomy.

The comfort and belonging, though, are touching on that evolutionary psychology bit I mentioned. [i]Why[/i] is one more comfortable and feel like they better belong in a more insular group? Why is it more comfortable to shut off the outside world than work together in it? Undoubtedly there are multiple paths that lead there, but there must be a reason it is such a common overarching theme to humanity throughout history.

JustNik · 51-55, F

@UndeadPrivateer we’re pack animals?

UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M

@JustNik Kind-of-not-really. We don't really follow the usual social dynamics of pack animals, though we are undeniably social creatures. We invariably go insane without human interaction, but that's a very different matter.

Cierzo · M

I think humans are tribal by nature. We need to feel we belong to a group. That reference group should be family, but not any more.

Internet is providing means to allow any group to have a separate existence from others. Not only when it comes to ideologies or ways of thinking, but also to interests, or way of living in general.

I think this trend will be much stronger in the next years

UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M

@Cierzo I agree on all counts, though I think it will hit some kind of breaking point somewhere.

InOtterWords · F

I think we all feel the need to belong, and some groups we automatically belong in, gender, race, family....but then there is a feeling that to be something special break apart and belong to something that sets us apart from the others

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