Can creationists PLEASE stop using the watchmaker analogy as an argument for design? [Spirituality & Religion]
It doesn't make any sense and refutes itself
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rckt148 · 61-69, M
Here is a post from a man considered one of the most brilliant minds that ever existed ,
I have so much more from great scientist all over the world through the ages who all come to the same conclusion and its still being proven every day ,
the More we know the more we have to admit we don't know anything ,,
here argue with Albert ,
This is Only preliminary... I could not find my notes :(
The Evidence is in You.
What started the big bang?
What came before the big bang?
Why are the laws of science what they are?
Just because? That's unscientific.How did something with so much precision we barely understand come into place by itself.
Why are the constants what they are? Suited to life.
By themselves? Choosing an arbitrary value That's not Scientific.
Why do only certain things make us happy and others do not?
Why did Einstein believe in A divine spirit If that Is supposedly meant to show ignorance.? He saw the work of a hand In Science.
And so do I.
There is no proof? You Your self are Proof.
You are a scientific Miracle.
The odds of You existing are One in 10 to the power 2685000.
That's one in 10with 2685000 zeros after it.
You are an almost impossiblity.
Also Why are You born as You and Not as Him or her or a puppy perhaps.
Why did The homo sapiens fossilis Bury their dead with ceremony even 45000 years ago.
Why did The Neanderthals bury their dead.
Why Do some people have near psychic abilities.
Why are so many people all over the world telling the same thing.Of a divine concept ...Mass delusion?
By definition of philosophy.-
It is to acknowledge the divine spark Human kind feels within itself.
I am more than What appears to be.
So are You.
Why do people cry out Omg during se.x
Why.....How does quantum entanglement Work?
Two particles...Entangled with one another.
No matter how far apart they are,One particle can communicate changes in itself to the other instantaneously. This would be faster than the speed of light.
It would take place even if one particle was at one end of the universe and the other at the other end.
Mass and energy.
Matter and antimatter.
Protons and electrons.
Action and reaction.
Male and the female.
Squarks and Quarks.
Superpartners
All saying the same thing that the two halves of the divine admire each other for eternity.
I infer God.
Am I alone...was I alone..No.
Einstein saw said God in the universe.
Albert Einsteins words.
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God."
"I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations."
Certain it is that a conviction, akin to religious feeling, of the rationality and intelligibility of the world lies behind all scientific work of a higher order. The firm belief, which is bound up with deep feeling, in a superior mind revealing himself in the world of experience, represents my conception of God, which may, therefore be described in common parlance as `pantheistic.
What came before the first big bang? Why are the laws taylored to life? Why are the constants supportive of life? Why are the constants what they are? Why are the laws what they are?
Never answered.
The universe seems a put up job.
- Bill Phillips...Nobel Prize winner.Physicist.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0w8HYLPCGsE
(Bill Phillips Words)
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/abinazir/2011/06/15/what-are-chances-you-would-be-born/
(Probability to To Be Born.)
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091115183346AAhdlVd
(Einstein's Views)
http://www.scoopwhoop.com/news/wow-nasa/?ref=social&type=fb&b=0
(NASA view of galaxy
Can something so Beautiful make itself? )
I have so much more from great scientist all over the world through the ages who all come to the same conclusion and its still being proven every day ,
the More we know the more we have to admit we don't know anything ,,
here argue with Albert ,
This is Only preliminary... I could not find my notes :(
The Evidence is in You.
What started the big bang?
What came before the big bang?
Why are the laws of science what they are?
Just because? That's unscientific.How did something with so much precision we barely understand come into place by itself.
Why are the constants what they are? Suited to life.
By themselves? Choosing an arbitrary value That's not Scientific.
Why do only certain things make us happy and others do not?
Why did Einstein believe in A divine spirit If that Is supposedly meant to show ignorance.? He saw the work of a hand In Science.
And so do I.
There is no proof? You Your self are Proof.
You are a scientific Miracle.
The odds of You existing are One in 10 to the power 2685000.
That's one in 10with 2685000 zeros after it.
You are an almost impossiblity.
Also Why are You born as You and Not as Him or her or a puppy perhaps.
Why did The homo sapiens fossilis Bury their dead with ceremony even 45000 years ago.
Why did The Neanderthals bury their dead.
Why Do some people have near psychic abilities.
Why are so many people all over the world telling the same thing.Of a divine concept ...Mass delusion?
By definition of philosophy.-
It is to acknowledge the divine spark Human kind feels within itself.
I am more than What appears to be.
So are You.
Why do people cry out Omg during se.x
Why.....How does quantum entanglement Work?
Two particles...Entangled with one another.
No matter how far apart they are,One particle can communicate changes in itself to the other instantaneously. This would be faster than the speed of light.
It would take place even if one particle was at one end of the universe and the other at the other end.
Mass and energy.
Matter and antimatter.
Protons and electrons.
Action and reaction.
Male and the female.
Squarks and Quarks.
Superpartners
All saying the same thing that the two halves of the divine admire each other for eternity.
I infer God.
Am I alone...was I alone..No.
Einstein saw said God in the universe.
Albert Einsteins words.
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God."
"I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations."
Certain it is that a conviction, akin to religious feeling, of the rationality and intelligibility of the world lies behind all scientific work of a higher order. The firm belief, which is bound up with deep feeling, in a superior mind revealing himself in the world of experience, represents my conception of God, which may, therefore be described in common parlance as `pantheistic.
What came before the first big bang? Why are the laws taylored to life? Why are the constants supportive of life? Why are the constants what they are? Why are the laws what they are?
Never answered.
The universe seems a put up job.
- Bill Phillips...Nobel Prize winner.Physicist.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0w8HYLPCGsE
(Bill Phillips Words)
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/abinazir/2011/06/15/what-are-chances-you-would-be-born/
(Probability to To Be Born.)
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091115183346AAhdlVd
(Einstein's Views)
http://www.scoopwhoop.com/news/wow-nasa/?ref=social&type=fb&b=0
(NASA view of galaxy
Can something so Beautiful make itself? )
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rckt148 · 61-69, M
@MetalGreymon: I can give you days worth of whys ,by men who once said they had all the answers ,and you might check out those links too ,
See for me seeing the impossible happen ,like my Kid go from a spine so weak it could not support her body ,to no signs of the disease ,Doctors saying she is a miracle ,,I would need no more them that to make me believe someone or something loves us and I have my own miracle stories aka testimonies ,
so when the Brightest minds that have ever lived say they can't deny God ,
and more and more proof is being unearthed every day to validate the Scripture and old as man almost ,
its not worth the energy to argue ,its comes down to you believe or you don't
The only thing that does upset me ,is when people so arrogantly attack people who do believe and no matter what they say ,(which I do not need to prove anything to you ,my walk is mine alone ,it can't even save my kids ,,they have their own walk )all they can say is prove it ,
So I ask ,If the big bang is real ,would they not find at least some of the same elements in say the moon as on earth other the other planets ,they all came from the same beginning ,,why do some planets spin clockwise when the rest spin counter clockwise ,,who is this one so far the only one that we have found so far with all of out probing that had not got life the same as earth ,,this is the only one a single cell was able to make millions of humans from ,and its a valid question ,,why are apes no longer evolving then ?
why is the earth the perfect distance from the sun ,why is our cycle so accurate that shrines and a marker at Vatican dead on the money every year ,no deviation ,and all the damage to out planet can be attributed to humans ,
why in spite of all our tech have we not evolved but have actually gone backwards , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
See for me seeing the impossible happen ,like my Kid go from a spine so weak it could not support her body ,to no signs of the disease ,Doctors saying she is a miracle ,,I would need no more them that to make me believe someone or something loves us and I have my own miracle stories aka testimonies ,
so when the Brightest minds that have ever lived say they can't deny God ,
and more and more proof is being unearthed every day to validate the Scripture and old as man almost ,
its not worth the energy to argue ,its comes down to you believe or you don't
The only thing that does upset me ,is when people so arrogantly attack people who do believe and no matter what they say ,(which I do not need to prove anything to you ,my walk is mine alone ,it can't even save my kids ,,they have their own walk )all they can say is prove it ,
So I ask ,If the big bang is real ,would they not find at least some of the same elements in say the moon as on earth other the other planets ,they all came from the same beginning ,,why do some planets spin clockwise when the rest spin counter clockwise ,,who is this one so far the only one that we have found so far with all of out probing that had not got life the same as earth ,,this is the only one a single cell was able to make millions of humans from ,and its a valid question ,,why are apes no longer evolving then ?
why is the earth the perfect distance from the sun ,why is our cycle so accurate that shrines and a marker at Vatican dead on the money every year ,no deviation ,and all the damage to out planet can be attributed to humans ,
why in spite of all our tech have we not evolved but have actually gone backwards , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria
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@rckt148: Einstein is on record as saying Buddhism is the most reasonable religion, and Buddhism has no God.
Better still, it's extremely foolish to think Einstein is right about religion because he was a good mathematician. He was as far from being an expert as Donald Trump is.
Better still, it's extremely foolish to think Einstein is right about religion because he was a good mathematician. He was as far from being an expert as Donald Trump is.
rckt148 · 61-69, M
@Peekaboo: I have comments from some of the brightest minds the world has ever known ,,the point is they admit the more they think they know ,the more questions they unearth not answers ,,and they detail ,how no part is without meaning ,everything as it was intended works hand in hand ,speaking to not an accident ,,but a grand design ,,I as every big band believer the same question ,,why does not the moon have the same make up ,or mars ,,I get its distance from the sun that has alot to do with life ,,but if a single cell was so adaptive ,,then I add the Prophecy ,in scrolls older then Christ ,,that told of events that are still coming to pass just as foretold and we are told if ONE of them fails ,we can count it as false and do not have to follow it again , but only someone who has spent years trying to prove it wrong ,would see more and more how clear it was ,,even a copy I have authorized by Vatican ,,when they had no power in England ,or Canada or any country under the Queen ,a prophecy 500 yrs older then Christ ,the last huge sign as to who the beast was ,had not happened yet ,,
it had no power in the world ,let alone the whole world ,,
it was not political ,nor a country to itself ,
no world leaders allowed it to make policy that effected the whole world ,,it had lost its power in 538 and as foretold it was not getting it back until 1929 ,,but exactly as it said it would ,,int he very year it said ,,it got back way more then its power ,
But it only means something to believers ,,if you don't ,it was not for you anyway so not need me going into all the details ,,to many just to be an accident
the brightest minds have said ,,they likelihood of 30 events coming to pass ,are like trying to find a quarter with no GPS hid in a state the size of Texas ,thats how great the odds are against it ,,but many more then 30 came to pass ,in fact not one so far has failed to come to pass
People can put faith in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus ,who had 200 predictions just for 2000 not come to pass ,,and now they still post his predictions for 2017 ,when the Bible says he is now a false prophet ,,,what he said said did not happen ,but the Prophets who have not failed at all ,,they are mocked ,,
So I respect if you do not believe ,would not by any means to to get you to,
I have no desire to push what I believe on you ,I do not come on other posts trying to prove I have all the answers and I hear from God so "all hear me "
If the post is religious ,and I can add something ,I try
if I see baby Christians attacked for just sharing what they believe ,,I will try to help them out ,
Ones I know have been Christians a while ,but I see they misapply something I have some insight into as I do know Hebrew culture ,Jewish traditions and Roman pagan practices ,that have all been used in scripture ,then I will explain how that verse applies ,or has been altered by one of the mentioned
Christ came to do away with the laws and covenant that was only for the Jews ,
to make it possible for the Gentile to find redemption too ,,to expose the traditions that made serving God hard ,and show it was easy ,and simple .
To those who want to know ,not argue "Religion " I like to share and learn ,
I admit ,I still have a long way to go ,,and a lot to learn yet
and I sure as hell don't have anymore proof then what I have seen ,and the prophecy I have been asked to share with those who want to hear .
But I am not trying to shove anything one anyone ,or attack others who believe different then me ,which is actually most Christians too
Is it so hard we show each other respect regardless ?
Show some compassion for each other ,and respect thats what they hold dear ,let them hold onto what keeps them going ,instead of hurt them and stomp them down ,just can't let them be content to what ever gets them through the day
as long as they are not hurting anyone ,attacking others ,who are they hurting
Most religions ,even the ones that deny Christ ,,,all have a common thread ,
A creator ,love and respect for one another ,not to take life ,respect our planet its all we have ,and the creatures that are on it ,to try and live in harmony ,
except the ones that kill and say its in Gods name
thats all I ask ,respect me ,and a kid sure as hell did not help me get this old ,I have taken care of myself and some family since I was 17 ,I must know something ,and let me believe how I believe and I will let you do the same .
if you want my help or me to explain what i believe I will be happy to ,
you need a friend ,,I am here and no religion is required ,
most of my stories are about my screw ups so others may avoid making the same mistake
and should I sound to religious and I am talking to you ,,you can ask I not and I will do my best not to even say praise God ,but I can't change who I am just because you do not agree ,,I hated God ,He had a real hard time getting me to believe ,,,so no human can undo what i know was God
and I need no one to tell me He is or He is not ,,
I do not care if others believe ,I know Him ,and He knows me
and I am in school ,,so when I get home ,,I will know whats required to be a citizen of heaven ,when He has made me perfect
and I can quit hurting ,and quit being hurt
and know joy forever ,,and if all I get is I die ,,
at least I know I tried to be a good man
even if people attacked the very reason I was
trust me ,no one would want to know the alternative
everyone should be happy something makes me strive to be a better man
the old me was not one to be played with
and I had no heart ,,MY Mom called me Cain and Little Hitler
thats what happens when you beat a kid everyday ,they learn to hate
and love to hurt others to ease their pain
I have found peace ,,people should be happy I have
what i do and say hurts no one ,,Christ was Love
it had no power in the world ,let alone the whole world ,,
it was not political ,nor a country to itself ,
no world leaders allowed it to make policy that effected the whole world ,,it had lost its power in 538 and as foretold it was not getting it back until 1929 ,,but exactly as it said it would ,,int he very year it said ,,it got back way more then its power ,
But it only means something to believers ,,if you don't ,it was not for you anyway so not need me going into all the details ,,to many just to be an accident
the brightest minds have said ,,they likelihood of 30 events coming to pass ,are like trying to find a quarter with no GPS hid in a state the size of Texas ,thats how great the odds are against it ,,but many more then 30 came to pass ,in fact not one so far has failed to come to pass
People can put faith in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus ,who had 200 predictions just for 2000 not come to pass ,,and now they still post his predictions for 2017 ,when the Bible says he is now a false prophet ,,,what he said said did not happen ,but the Prophets who have not failed at all ,,they are mocked ,,
So I respect if you do not believe ,would not by any means to to get you to,
I have no desire to push what I believe on you ,I do not come on other posts trying to prove I have all the answers and I hear from God so "all hear me "
If the post is religious ,and I can add something ,I try
if I see baby Christians attacked for just sharing what they believe ,,I will try to help them out ,
Ones I know have been Christians a while ,but I see they misapply something I have some insight into as I do know Hebrew culture ,Jewish traditions and Roman pagan practices ,that have all been used in scripture ,then I will explain how that verse applies ,or has been altered by one of the mentioned
Christ came to do away with the laws and covenant that was only for the Jews ,
to make it possible for the Gentile to find redemption too ,,to expose the traditions that made serving God hard ,and show it was easy ,and simple .
To those who want to know ,not argue "Religion " I like to share and learn ,
I admit ,I still have a long way to go ,,and a lot to learn yet
and I sure as hell don't have anymore proof then what I have seen ,and the prophecy I have been asked to share with those who want to hear .
But I am not trying to shove anything one anyone ,or attack others who believe different then me ,which is actually most Christians too
Is it so hard we show each other respect regardless ?
Show some compassion for each other ,and respect thats what they hold dear ,let them hold onto what keeps them going ,instead of hurt them and stomp them down ,just can't let them be content to what ever gets them through the day
as long as they are not hurting anyone ,attacking others ,who are they hurting
Most religions ,even the ones that deny Christ ,,,all have a common thread ,
A creator ,love and respect for one another ,not to take life ,respect our planet its all we have ,and the creatures that are on it ,to try and live in harmony ,
except the ones that kill and say its in Gods name
thats all I ask ,respect me ,and a kid sure as hell did not help me get this old ,I have taken care of myself and some family since I was 17 ,I must know something ,and let me believe how I believe and I will let you do the same .
if you want my help or me to explain what i believe I will be happy to ,
you need a friend ,,I am here and no religion is required ,
most of my stories are about my screw ups so others may avoid making the same mistake
and should I sound to religious and I am talking to you ,,you can ask I not and I will do my best not to even say praise God ,but I can't change who I am just because you do not agree ,,I hated God ,He had a real hard time getting me to believe ,,,so no human can undo what i know was God
and I need no one to tell me He is or He is not ,,
I do not care if others believe ,I know Him ,and He knows me
and I am in school ,,so when I get home ,,I will know whats required to be a citizen of heaven ,when He has made me perfect
and I can quit hurting ,and quit being hurt
and know joy forever ,,and if all I get is I die ,,
at least I know I tried to be a good man
even if people attacked the very reason I was
trust me ,no one would want to know the alternative
everyone should be happy something makes me strive to be a better man
the old me was not one to be played with
and I had no heart ,,MY Mom called me Cain and Little Hitler
thats what happens when you beat a kid everyday ,they learn to hate
and love to hurt others to ease their pain
I have found peace ,,people should be happy I have
what i do and say hurts no one ,,Christ was Love
mykonos · 22-25, T
Theists I can accept but Creationists are a completely different species.
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@mykonos:
They sure are
They sure are
rckt148 · 61-69, M
@mykonos: what i am going to ask is not to be mean ,just a question
and based on your statement Theists I can accept but Creationists are a completely different species.
so indulge me for a minute if you will ,and i hope you can at least come away saying at least one of us Creationists ,showed you some respect
if evolution is so great ,and we are what we have evolved to be ,
then why do you have a problem with looking down ,and being happy with who you have evolved to be ?unless you have both sets of genitals evolution picked you to be one or the other ,,,right ?your DNA says which you are ,,your hips are not gender interchangeable,your pelvis bone says your are one or the other
if that is how evolution said you should be ,who are you to question it ,even if you only have one eye ,no genitals and you are green ?
Personally ,I do not judge you by sex ,I only care how you treat me and people I love ,and I do ask some respect ,I did not get this old by accident ,I paid my dues and lived a long hard life with lots of hard work and a lot of loss and pain .
You see I do not care what sex you want to be
Who you identify with as long as you do not push your values on my son ,
he knows he was born a boy .looks like his Dad ,has his Grandpa's name ,,so until someone tries to screw him up ,,he is happy with that ,He has no desire to be a girl
I am happy you know who you are
now can you see my problem ?we have had a problem ,all his friends tried to tell him he is gay because we love everyone ,thats what he has been taught ,no color is better then another ,other religions have their opinions and thats ok ,,some do not believe in God ,thats ok too ,do not push your beliefs on others ,even if you think they are wrong ,some will say you are wrong too ,
but when he is told he is gay because he "Loves Boys " not as in sex ,but with love and compassion for others ,,then I had to explain to a 6 yr old he is not gay ,and he is fine being a boy ,but he has lots of girls who like him ,,he is cute ,and smart ,gay has to do with sex ,right now sex is the least of your problems ,you are at school to learn ,not side with groups who have never had sex ,but someone has told them they are gay because right now they get along better with boys then girls ,my son and grandson are the only 2 boys in our family in a sea of girls ,they know they are boys ,but
If I want to hear from an invisible friend ,and I am not forcing that on you
who are you to even question that or try to teach me otherwise ?
I could say look down ,that will solve your problem,,
you transgender really blow my mind ,can't look down and see what you are ,
but i won't ,,I will show you some respect
its up to you to figure out what makes you a better person and happy ,not me
Only God can get you to see I mean you no harm ,maybe get you to see the good in me that I feel was put in me by something greater then me
Only that power can make you wonder could he be right ,to turn a man so full of hate ,who has lived through so much into a man who cares about others and how they feel ,,cares when they hurt ,when they feel alone ,and helps them in any way he can
all I can do by arguing with you about religion and gender ,and make you avoid me
and in the end we both loose ,
there may have been something you could have taught me that has nothing to do with religion or gender
but we lost the chance ,gender and religion got in the way
see I should reflect what I believe by how I treat you ,not beat you with a Bible and I hope you get there is more to life then what genitals you have
and based on your statement Theists I can accept but Creationists are a completely different species.
so indulge me for a minute if you will ,and i hope you can at least come away saying at least one of us Creationists ,showed you some respect
if evolution is so great ,and we are what we have evolved to be ,
then why do you have a problem with looking down ,and being happy with who you have evolved to be ?unless you have both sets of genitals evolution picked you to be one or the other ,,,right ?your DNA says which you are ,,your hips are not gender interchangeable,your pelvis bone says your are one or the other
if that is how evolution said you should be ,who are you to question it ,even if you only have one eye ,no genitals and you are green ?
Personally ,I do not judge you by sex ,I only care how you treat me and people I love ,and I do ask some respect ,I did not get this old by accident ,I paid my dues and lived a long hard life with lots of hard work and a lot of loss and pain .
You see I do not care what sex you want to be
Who you identify with as long as you do not push your values on my son ,
he knows he was born a boy .looks like his Dad ,has his Grandpa's name ,,so until someone tries to screw him up ,,he is happy with that ,He has no desire to be a girl
I am happy you know who you are
now can you see my problem ?we have had a problem ,all his friends tried to tell him he is gay because we love everyone ,thats what he has been taught ,no color is better then another ,other religions have their opinions and thats ok ,,some do not believe in God ,thats ok too ,do not push your beliefs on others ,even if you think they are wrong ,some will say you are wrong too ,
but when he is told he is gay because he "Loves Boys " not as in sex ,but with love and compassion for others ,,then I had to explain to a 6 yr old he is not gay ,and he is fine being a boy ,but he has lots of girls who like him ,,he is cute ,and smart ,gay has to do with sex ,right now sex is the least of your problems ,you are at school to learn ,not side with groups who have never had sex ,but someone has told them they are gay because right now they get along better with boys then girls ,my son and grandson are the only 2 boys in our family in a sea of girls ,they know they are boys ,but
If I want to hear from an invisible friend ,and I am not forcing that on you
who are you to even question that or try to teach me otherwise ?
I could say look down ,that will solve your problem,,
you transgender really blow my mind ,can't look down and see what you are ,
but i won't ,,I will show you some respect
its up to you to figure out what makes you a better person and happy ,not me
Only God can get you to see I mean you no harm ,maybe get you to see the good in me that I feel was put in me by something greater then me
Only that power can make you wonder could he be right ,to turn a man so full of hate ,who has lived through so much into a man who cares about others and how they feel ,,cares when they hurt ,when they feel alone ,and helps them in any way he can
all I can do by arguing with you about religion and gender ,and make you avoid me
and in the end we both loose ,
there may have been something you could have taught me that has nothing to do with religion or gender
but we lost the chance ,gender and religion got in the way
see I should reflect what I believe by how I treat you ,not beat you with a Bible and I hope you get there is more to life then what genitals you have
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
Where are you that you encounter so many creationists?
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M
@Jackaloftheazuresand:
I like to talk about such things. So i encounter this argument all too frequently
I like to talk about such things. So i encounter this argument all too frequently
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
You and Celine should hold mock debates where you take turns being the creationist.
MetalGreymon · 36-40, M