Did you know this? [Spirituality & Religion]

@ABCDEF7 The reference is included

@Lust4Life Can you give reference to Quran or Hadith?

@ABCDEF7 Source is Abu Dawadi

@Lust4Life How did Abu Dawadi know that? Who told him?

@ABCDEF7 How should I know?

@Lust4Life

@ABCDEF7 This is reality....as soon as people will accept this truth...then there is chances we can save lives and destroy terrorism.

@ABCDEF7 Yes, I've read that, too. Not very loving.

@ABCDEF7 Religious historian P. Jenkins: "By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide."

It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of [b]1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."[/b] When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom. "In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide.

Deuteronomy 20:16–18, Moses gives these instructions: “As for the towns of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. You shall annihilate them—the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites—just as the Lord your God has commanded.”

Joshua 6:20b–21, as the Israelite army entered the town of Jericho: the Israelites “charged straight ahead into the city and captured it. Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of the sword all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.” After the destruction of Jericho, next would come the people of Ai, then the people of Makkedah and Libnah and Lachish and Eglon and Debir—every man, woman, and child slaughtered and dedicated to God. In the end, the entire population of thirty-one city-states was utterly destroyed.

II Chronicles 21:14-15, "Behold with a great plague with the LORD smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all the goods; and thou shall have great sickness by the bowels, until thy bowels fall out with reason of the sickness day by day."

@Graylight Neither the Qu'ran nor the Bible has a consistent view of war.

@SomeMichGuy Precisely. And when one takes the span of 6,000 years or more, there are going to be some inconsistencies in the narrative.

@Graylight Well, the Old Testament has 2 competing views of God, and a lot of non-Christian stuff which seems to be like the pantheist pagan stuff in which the ancient Israelites found themselves (and which continued to plague them, because they wanted concrete answers, such as "THE form" of God, etc., and clear boundaries, etc.).

To say "the Bible" but *really* mean the Old Testament...one should be careful. Jesus doesn't tell to kill non-believers (nor does He tell us to camp out on doorsteps to bug the be-Him out of others...).

The books of the Qu'ran are in reverse order. The husband of Aisha first liked Jews (he somehow thought that "correcting" their first texts about 2450 yrs after being first written down would be welcomed lol), then turned viciously against them when they failed to support him in his first conquest.

Make no mistake, Jesus is about conquering hearts, changing minds. Mohammed is about taking territory.

@Lust4Life Abu Daw*u*d...

The trailing character is a right square bracket.

@ABCDEF7 I think the wikipedia article about him says he was the compiler of the sixth hadith...

@AngelKrish The Muslim Religion calls Christians "infidels" and to kill any that do not go along with their religion. It is very violent, not of peace at all.

Truth? Really? Let's look at the reality of this:

@SomeMichGuy Jesus doesn't utter a word about same sex love or the definition of marriage, but we seem to find that in the Bible. We justify the existence of dinosaurs based on the creation story. Tenets of centuries old faiths revolve around occurrences found in the OT.

I don't follow the Bible per se, so I have no dog in the fight. Just talking.

@Graylight I am familiar with the entire Bible, but people often say "the Bible" when they mean "Scripture proper", and often when they are referring to something un-Christian.

Yeah, there is a lot there, yeah, there are justifications for some things, but PLEASE, tell me which specific faiths you mean and which tenets...?

Of COURSE Judaism rests on the books on what has been brought into modern Bibles as the "Old Testament", and the New Testament has a non-trivial relationship to that, so we have Judaism and Christianity (thus, "Judæo-Christian"/"Judeo-Christian").

If you are also tying in Christianity++ as in the Utah connection & B'hai, say so, but don't confuse Islam as having other than a glancing regard for the Bible (Khadija's husband travelled to take care of her business, and obviously came into contact with Jews in the course of his dealings, etc., and that's likely when he decided to rewrite the story of Isaac to make the son Abram's/Abraham's first son, Ishmael).

The sex stuff is mostly in the OT, but Jesus--in a doubtful passage not in the most ancient authorities, in John 7:53 - 8:11--is at the intended stoning of the "loose woman"/"woman caught in adultery" where He says, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." After the crowd melts away, He asks the woman if no one is left, she says no, & He says that He, also, will not condemn her, but He doesn't give her a thumbs-up & say, "keep up the good work"; He says "Go your way, and from now on do not sin again." (NRSV for the textual info & last quote).

Sadly, a lot of Christians obsess about seeing the OT through their own eyes, not through Jesus' eyes.

I so much agree with you and believe this movement is the start of the One World Religion as seen in Revelations. Pope Francis and the NWO have been pushing CHRISLAM. I do not believe in this and see it as heretical and demonic. Without a doubt, we are living in end times.

https://www.facebook.com/NowTheEndBegins/posts/pope-francis-holding-first-chrislam-global-day-of-prayer-to-everyones-gods-all-t/10156932008356809/

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