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“In the beginning God created...” [Spirituality & Religion]

“What’s important to understand is how reversed the situation is from, say, a hundred years ago. Back then, Christians had to maintain by faith in the Bible that despite all appearances to the contrary, the universe was not eternal but was created out of nothing a finite time ago.
“Now, the situation is exactly the opposite. It is the atheist who has to maintain, by faith, despite all of the evidence to the contrary, that the universe did not have a beginning a finite time ago but is in some inexplicable way eternal after all. So the shoe is on the other foot. The Christian can stand confidently within biblical truth, knowing it’s in line with mainstream astrophysics and cosmology. It’s the atheist who feels very uncomfortable and marginalized today.
“Certainly there have been earlier ages when the culture was more sympathetic toward Christianity. But I think it’s indisputable that there has never been a time in history when the hard evidence of science was more confirmatory of belief in God than today.”

(William Lane Craig)
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The universe in which we live was proven to be finite in expanse and duration. The newer idea is that there are an infinite number of such: universes residing side by side. And so the Biblical account is not vindicated. Rather, it is in deeper peril than ever before.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BlueRidingHood The evidence of which? Yes we can come up with all kinds of silly possibilities when it becomes clear that our preferred theory is flawed. It simply makes the impossible even more impossible. If one universe can not exist unto itself then how did an infinite number of them come to be?
@hippyjoe1955 The greatest silliness would be to insist that everything within an infinite void was once gathered unto one point. Thus, where there is one there are many- and the physical plane should be eternally self-sustaining. Or we could abandon reason for the weak conjecture of ancient men. It's a personal choice.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BlueRidingHood If you accept the Red Shift then the one point at one time is rather obligatory. Do you have an alternative to the red shift?
@hippyjoe1955 Why would you attempt to argue against updated inflation theory if you feel it somehow proves a Biblical point? The interpretation of an ending universe is what needs addressing.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BlueRidingHood I am simply asking you if you have a better explanation of the red shift. If you do I would like to hear it. So far all the theories I have heard point to a 'big bang'.
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Why do you take a theory where there is not one shred of experimental evidence for it and is based on imaginary numbers which don’t work when we put real numbers in? The whole theory of infinite universe is a figment of Hawkins computer and is an entirely theoretical concept made up of imaginary numbers@BlueRidingHood
Carazaa · F
@BlueRidingHood [b]you[/b]are in peril if you don’t repent and trust in God!
@Carazaa That's your opinion. I'd argue that the believers in God consign themselves to future torment. Trust in reason- not ancient con men!
Speedyman · 70-79, M
You trust in a totally unproven theory which many scientists think is a con! Dream on! 🤣🤣🤣@BlueRidingHood
@Speedyman Hey, mister. You think everything happens through wishing power- like in a fairy tale. Which is more ludicrous?
Speedyman · 70-79, M
Nope. You do though. Imaginary universes! 🤣🤣🤣@BlueRidingHood