Why did we wait in line to vote for Joe Biden when he's done nothing with a side order of zip to change Trump policies?

@Roadsterrider Biden didn’t even promise most of the things in the OP, and is presently working on infrastructure etc. This is all super silly.

@Roadsterrider
Joe was smart enough to recognize that there wasn’t “good people on both sides”.

@Pfuzylogic I think there are good people on both sides, there is a percentage of right and left wing loonies and the rest of us fall into the middle. I started out as a left wing loonie, moved to the right when I started paying my own bills and as I have aged, become more of a moderate. I travel throughout the eastern half of the US and that seems to be where most people are, in the middle.

@Roadsterrider
That was an actual picture of the Charlottesville racial riot when a right wing extremist killed a white protestor.

@Pfuzylogic Groups like this don't have a use for existence. They are not the majority of conservatives or even republicans. Just as the majority of democrats and liberals aren't all communists. In trying to paint in broad strokes, you are doing the same thing they do, trying to alienate anyone who doesn't share your exact opinion. I refuse to accept any part in what happened in Charlotte other than a desire for guilty parties to go away for life.

@Roadsterrider
trump made it happen again. The republicans tried to tear the security fences that protected the Capitol after the invasion. I get it! Having politics and nice and peaceful is preferred but ever since Reagan labeling everyone as liberals it has divided ever since.
It was Charlottesville and not Charlotte where the tragedy happened. Now that Biden is here I can watch the news and Twitter and Facebook have tamed the social media with the bans.

@Pfuzylogic I don't really recall any division under Reagan. Reagan was a fiscal conservative and more moderate on social issues and he seemed pretty good at uniting people to me. Bush senior wasn't the speaker that Reagan was and it seems to have gotten worse from there. What concerns me more than some idiot at a protest are the idiots who have been shooting people on a weekly basis lately. Due to democrats support of a summer of rioting and looting last year, it seems like some parts of society are lawless. Criminals and haters have been unleashed. The protestors at the capitol were not assaulting, there was no gunplay except by capitol security. And, personally, I think as soon as they started forcing their way into areas where they weren't allowed, they should have started with the tear gas and the riot batons, then escalated if the crowds didn't disperse. I don't want to live in a society where there is no respect for the law, no matter which side is doing it.

Labeling goes both ways, as a conservative I have been lumped in with alt right whackos, the basket of deplorables, the wealthy elite and the list goes on. Liberals are lumped in with welfare queens and communists. And the politicians are the ones making the stereotypes, it is easier to do stupid stuff if they keep us culled into smaller groups that don't defend each other. They keep us separated into older, younger, brown, white, rich and poor. Blue collar and white collar. Trump didn't really do anything bad, he just said what he was actually thinking instead of filtering it to appeal to our segmented society. The rest of the career politicians in DC dealt with him in the only way they knew how, to demonize him. He didn't play the "politics as usual" and he was a threat to the rest of the guys like Biden who have been there for 40 years but still haven't managed to fix anything. The rich and "big business" are going to be taxed to pay to level the playing field. About 0.3% of US earners make more than $1M a year, about 8% of US workers have more than $1M in assets like stocks, 401K, etc. Look at the congress and senate, 3/4 of them are multi millionaires. If you look at most of their work and government experience, they never did anything on their own, they got into a government office and cashed in on it. These people have never really held a position in the real world. AOC had a double major in in international relations and economics but her work experience is as a bartender and waitress. Thirty years from now she will still be tweeting and facebooking about the "new green deal".

Our problem isn't that there are liberals and conservative, seniors and millennials, black, white and brown people, it is that we let the politicians pit us against each other instead of holding them accountable for their actions.

@Roadsterrider
How old were you when reagan took office? We’re you ten yet?
I remember someone that was a past president of the actor’s union and using that knowledge to disparage air traffic controllers and destroyed all unions on a frontal assault on the middle class. The term you used “welfare queen” is one of the cruelest terms in addition to “liberal” that he initiated. He alone used the federal budget to hurt the vulnerable and tried to forward 1 trillion dollars to SDI a project that would be incredibly outdated now. Yes, Bush 41 was intelligent but his choice for VP put even that in question. Our country had been severely divided since 1980 and thank goodness Joe Biden was incredibly offended enough by the race riots in Charlottesville to run for President and clean up the mess left behind. trump was so embarrassed by his loss that he afforded Joe no transition and now we are starting to discover all of the secret corruption and swamp creation of trump. I am thrilled with the result of an election where 82 million stated they had enough of a family that felt entitled to raid the state department for their own personal coffers. You do present your side well but I personally view trump as someone that needed to be removed to preserve the democracy I served for 22 years.

@Pfuzylogic Actually I voted for Reagan in 1984. My parents were politically active so I knew what was going on in politics. My whole family were yellow dog democrats. I was the first in the family to not vote straight democrat. So, yes I was a little older than 10, I was actually on my first hitch active duty in the Corps.

@Roadsterrider
Does the math. Reagan took office in 1980 which was 41 years ago. Your top age is 55. You would have been 14 when you started serving the military?

@Pfuzylogic Reagan was elected twice, my math says I joined the Corps in 1984 after graduation and voted for Reagan in November. I served for almost 15 years, took an early out in 1999 when Clinton began gutting manpower.

@Roadsterrider
You voted the first time for his second term. That wasn’t specified. I joined the military when Reagan built up the military and spent billions on the 600 ship Navy. I stayed 22 years when we went from 100 billion in national debt to 2 trillion and easily could have been 3 trillion if SDI had not been stopped.

@Pfuzylogic I am a little disappointed that SDI isn't in place and touted daily. In todays world there isn't a piece of land that can't be reached with missiles anywhere in the world. As more and more countries like North Korea, Iraq, and other nations, some rogue, develop a nuclear arsenal, it is a threat we are eventually going to have to prepare for or suffer the consequences. As a fiscal conservative, I would rather see national defense be the reason for a deficit than expansion of social programs beyond number. If it were up to me, I would close every base outside of CONUS and bring those soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines back to the US and that would be the border security. Europe and Asia could pay for their own security. There isn't anywhere in the world that we couldn't place a security force in place in 24 to 48 hours and a sizeable force could be deployed in a few weeks. It doesn't take months to get a battalion of marines or soldiers in place any more. That would save tons of money and would bring billions back into our own economy instead of it being dumped into countries around the world. And if we had SDI, we wouldn't have to worry about EMP shutting down the US. I remember the mid 1980s fraud misuse and abuse hotline, I also remember getting rid of Stanley and Easco tools and getting snap-on and actually having quality tools to work on things with. I remember getting pay raises. and better insurance for dependents. Then all of that was reversed under Clinton, Tricare sucked, I worked on C-130s line division, we had 14 aircraft and about 40 guys split between day and night shift, after Clinton's BRAC cuts, there were 15 men left in the shop, less than one guy per aircraft and that was 4 engines, props, the APU and fuel systems that we were responsible for. That is when the deployment schedule picked up, there just weren't enough people to go around. 9-11 was just the straw that broke the camels back. It was weakened under Clinton and Bush was left to pick up the pieces.

@Roadsterrider
We prefer different approaches in deed. I am very thankful not a cent was spent on SDI. It was early 80s technology that would be current space junk. Reagan broke the back of the middle class and it has disappeared and a deficit that he initiated. I remembered Reagan as one of the worst and then Bush 43 and trump came along.
When will the republicans bring forth a decent president and not cowtow to the insurrectionist. I don’t know who that last Republican was but he definitely bot a president. Someone that dodged the draft and imperiled our democratic republic.

@Pfuzylogic We can have different opinions and at least discuss it. I am sure if we discussed it long enough, we could reach a mutual agreement. I appreciate the discussion without name calling and emotional responses getting in the way. At some point, the right and left wing whackos will lose favor with the media and people who can have a real discussion will take the stage. Semper Fi.

@Roadsterrider
I spent 22 years in the Navy.
You seem to be inferring you were in the Marine Corps.

@Pfuzylogic I am a former Marine, just shy of 15 years. I looked at your profile and knew you were Navy. Most of you guys aren't so bad once you get to know them. I spent my time as an MP for a few years, moved into aviation, got out and spent a year in the reserves as a 1371 and then back into aviation till I got out in 1999.

@Roadsterrider
I was from 79 to 2002 and retired. Got paid for it starting in 2019. A long wait but worth it.
My step father was a major in the marines and was deployed to Cambodia. He was a very decent man and his example had me choose the military.

@Pfuzylogic Grandfather and Father were Army and Army Air Corps respectively. Older brother was a Jarhead, when I graduated high school, I figured the military was the easiest way to learn a trade and do better for myself, I hit the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine, the Marine recruiter told the best lies and ten minutes later I was signed up with a scheduled MEPPs visit and a bus ticket. I eventually got FAA certification as an powerplant mechanic and then went to work building turbine engines when I got out. Wouldn't change a bit of it.

@Roadsterrider
Can’t argue with military training for education and experience.
I was a nuke student and when that didn’t work out I was SeaBees and Radar repair later.