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What will the long-term political consequences be?

By this, im thinking about what kind if world will emerge after the virus is done? I think that the Western World could be entering a period of more state power and monopoly capitalism.

I dont think everything will return to how it was because every crisis this big in history has produced major changes. The New Deal and the European welfare state social democracies emerged from the twin shocks of the Great Depression and WW2. Globalised Neo-Liberal capitalism emerged through Thatcher and Reagan though was only possible because of the OPEC oil crisis brought a huge recession in the seventies.

Any crisis leads existing 'common sense' to collapse because people question things like they never did before and are prepared to entertain ideas which were once thought as heresy. 'Never let a crisis go to waste' is a saying which illustrate this point.

The forces which are best positioned to take advantage are the nationalist right and big capitalist monopolies. I think they will work in tandem to remake the post viris world in their image.

Every time there is a major recession, smaller firms go bust and bigger companies take up more space. This will the same in steroids this time because its 'too big to fail' corporations which will be bailed out by the government. This will deepen the already massive cronyism and revolving door relationships between government and big business.

The nationalist right are also positioned to do well on many countries and there are great efforts already being put in to blame the crisis on 'globalism' and immigration.

Governments will (in the next month) transition to a war time economy and use state inteventionist models long advocated by the radical left. In the 1940s, this did prove that some kind of 'socialism' could work and it laid the foundations for progressive state activism that dominated the next few decades.

This time is different though because there is an absense of strong union movements pushing for rights. The new breed of Conservatives happy to use protectionism and state intervention for their own ends though they will never go against their own class interests.

So the tldr is that i think we could be enteting an era of nationalist state monopoly capitalism. This could look someting like Viktor Orban's Hungary. This protect workers more than many states but has limited civil rights or dissent. Its ethno nationalist, isolationist and run by cronyism between government and business leaders.

I hope Im wrong but fear that im not.
BlueVeins · 22-25
I don't know, really. Maybe as trade relations break down, we'll see a decline in outsourcing to impoverished countries. Other than that, a lot of the crony-capitalism nationalist negatives that you describe. 😒 I'm also very worried about the public health consequences of all this isolation. Humans are like herd animals; we're not meant to be alone in our houses. If we go out, we will get sick, but staying inside will also make us sick. And when a lot of people get mental health problems, that can have sweeping effects on politics. 😦
Zaxel · 26-30, M
the western world will be weaker than it previously was. theyre not prepared to deal with these types of shocks and their only way out at this point or whenever they decide its time, is to print a shit load of money. i do believe america specifically has a entrepreneurial nature that hasn't died out yet, but we're definitely seeing a weakening of that spirit. theres going to be less companies around but the ones that survive are going to be strong and push the weaker ones out. the too big to fail companies arent going anywhere but they'll lose significance if they don't evolve on their own.
i think theres alot of hope for where things are heading but something thats not being addressed and is definitely an issue is the flow of information. tech companies are controlling information by a huge amount and there's very little being done anti-trust wise to stop them. i think its too early to say whether there will be something done on that end but if that isnt resolved, its going to balloon eventually to the point where it will be obvious to everyone, but who knows how the monopolization of those tech companies will be stopped by then.
Graylight · 51-55, F
I also fear some longstanding economic and geopolitical effect from this pandemic. The US saw a boom period after WWII and subsequent generations here were raised to believe that American Dream would never end and be infinitely available.

That dream has since evolved - can you imagine a young man with one salary taking care of a wife, child home and car these days? - and it will evolve again, each nation writing their own new rules. Those rules will be written largely by those who stand to gain the most from this situation.

I don't pretend to be well-versed enough o know what's coming, but I do think we should all be ready for a shift in our typical way of life.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Graylight Its all hard to predict and what im saying is a gamblers punt. I could be right but it could it could be wrong.
Northwest · M
The Trump administration, is trying to take advantage of the crisis, to quietly push for giving authorities broad new powers, to detain people indefinitely, and denying them their constitutional rights.

Trump's focus on calling it the "Chinese virus", everywhere, is part of the right wing's isolationism/nationalism pattern. The message is: we would be better off without foreigners. So, it's not about semantics, it's about what's behind it, and it is part of a pattern.

I think these efforts will fail in the US. In Europe, I am not so sure. In China? it makes no difference.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Northwest In the US, the nationalist right have incumbancy and people blame incumbants in a time of crisis and this tine it will be deserved.

The uk conservatives will also get desetved blame though the difference is that here we have nationalist right parties and figures who are seperate from the main Conservative Party who stand to gain.

In continental Europe, the right nationalists are usually the main opposition party and Italy with Salvini, would be the most vulnerable.

The corporatist thing is a danger whatever the party and its just an acceleratiom of already existing trends.
monte3 · 70-79, M
I am terrified of what the economic repercussions of the sudden shutting down of the world economy. Now I can add the political repercussions of the disruption. Thanks. 😊. I fear much of the small business base being crushed and eliminated, all the local restaurants etc. I see little hope of any real social programs out of h
The American right to aid the displaced.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@monte3 Its the same story in the UK.
chrisCA · M
I hope politicians start taking science more seriously.
Not labeling everything as a hoax, or "fake news".
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@chrisCA That is an optikistic reading and I hope you are right. In America, I think the future depends on how many people (and which people) blame Trump for the crisis.
SW-User
A lot of western countries are going to have huge national debts to sort out. At the moment China looks like it is starting to get back to normal and may not be as badly affected as some other countries, depending how reliable all the statistics are. Russia is very quiet and is either not affected yet, or not reporting. It doesn't look like a very rosy future, with possibly greater Chinese influence.
curiosi · 61-69, F
I think you covered it. History has taught us this and people are slow learners.
Moonpenny · F
I agree wholeheartedly with your penultimate paragraph.....and the fat cats get fatter!
assemblingaknob · 26-30, F
what does "monopoly capitalism" mean? 😶
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@assemblingaknob I mean companies that have no effective competition and enough power to dictate terms to government (or be near inseparable from the government).
assemblingaknob · 26-30, F
@Burnley123 oh i see. thank you.
SmartKat · 56-60, F
I hope you’re wrong, too.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@FloorGenAdm Im interested... What is that?
FloorGenAdm · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ikgHnAheo]
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PainfulTruth Whaay look at the macho guy posting rude words on the internet from his cellar. Im hurt.

Im anti elitist and wortied about elite take over.
I worry also for the self employed .... how is it that my husband is a key worker so still needs to be out there, with limited ppe and yet his income is not protected.
swirlie · 31-35, F
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The United States will fall by the wayside and a new as well as 'real' world order will immediately follow, meaning the US Dollar will no longer represent the global benchmark from which global trade and commerce are currently based in terms of perceived monetary value. [/c]
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@swirlie That is also entirely posdible. China will weather this better than others so everyone else will be in debt to them.

This will also fuel all the nationalist right conspiracies and could change donestic politics.

 
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