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You can’t rebut the record GNP increases and record low unemployment, can you (with any degree of credibility)?

QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
The economy is neither as bad nor as good as it appears. Things aren't anywhere near as rosy as some folks would like to pretend. But it's starting to look like we'll get through this year without a recession, too.

For example:
[quote]The headline number in the Establishment Survey (ES) (also known as the Payroll Report) looked quite strong at 263k. Realize that 93k of this was a “plug” number from the BLS’s “birth/death” algorithm, a mathematical formula that simply plugs in about 100k/month because the ES does not contact any small businesses. So, the measured number was closer to 170k. Still, not too shabby. What wasn’t widely reported was that the workweek contracted 0.3% in April, and, has fallen in three of the past four months. In terms of income, the shorter workweek is equivalent to a loss of about -375k jobs. But, because that inconvenient fact doesn’t fit the Wall Street narrative, it was not discussed in the media.

What about the fall in the unemployment rate to 3.6%? Isn’t that the quintessential sign of great economy? The “other” employment report, the Household Survey (HS) done concurrently with the ES, produces the unemployment rate. That HS showed a decline of -103k jobs in April, the fourth month in a row that the two surveys have been at 180-degree odds. The fall in the unemployment rate from 3.8% to 3.6% was heralded by Wall Street as further proof that the economy remains on “solid” footings. The media failed to mention that the only reason the unemployment rate fell was because the labor force shrank by -490k (which followed a -224k drop in March and a -770k drop since last December). If not for the drop in the labor force, the unemployment rate would be somewhere north of 4%. When the labor force itself falls (rises), that generally means that job seekers have been discouraged (encouraged) by labor market conditions.[/quote]

But things are ticking over.
eli1601 · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul Ask the people who interpret. Are you saying everyone interprets the same info the same wsy?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@eli1601 There is just not a lot of interpretation or opinion here, aside from complaints about the media not reporting the less glossy bits. The parts about people working fewer hours and unemployment numbers being affected by a shrinking labor force are simply parts of the report.
eli1601 · 70-79, M
@QuixoticSoul But you can dig down into why people work fewer hours, any companies on strike, etc. and why was the labor force shrinking. Baby boomers retiring or are people losing their jobs from downsizing. And are those things good or bad. That's interpretation.
curiosi · 61-69, F
No but that's not what the libs want. The libs want destruction, they want Obama's dream of America being a third world country.
katielass · F
No not with credibility but the left isn't interested in credibility. They just spout lies and know their base will believe them because they can't think for themselves.
@katielass And like Trump it is always someone else's fault. How predictable.
katielass · F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow No tard, that's your side's line. Now go away, I can stand only so much gutter time and you've taken it all up.
@katielass I am not the one shifting blame here but nice school child insults.
eli1601 · 70-79, M
But they will try
JP1119 · 36-40, M
What is the GNP and why should I care about it? I mean I know it stands for Gross National Product, but what is that?

As for record low unemployment, the unemployment rate is on the same trajectory it was on at the end of the Obama administration, it has been dropping steadily for roughly the last decade. But are the jobs any good? How many people have to work multiple jobs just to make ends meet?
"It is isn't real, but if it 'is', then Obama did it and 8 years of complete stagnation are finally paying off!"
monte3 · 70-79, M
I don’t think those words mean anything put together like that.😊@jackjjackson
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I wouldn’t want them to if I were you. @monte3
monte3 · 70-79, M
No they REALLY make no sense. Guessing you meant changes instead of chances but the rest of the sentence does not make sense. And my view (it’s not a “story”) has not changed; The economy has continued the upswing started in Obama’s first term. [/i]@jackjjackson
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
No. There's other economic indicators that you could reasonable talk about - like the economy is hot and there's near-total employment, but what's the quality of life like for most Americans? Is that improving? Are people paying their mortgages and getting food on the table?

Because if all those gains are going to a few hundred people they don't mean shit.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
True and the fact is that virtually every working American has had an earnings increase. @CountScrofula
MrAboo · 36-40, M
@CountScrofula when I get my medical clearing I’m going from minimum wage 30000
katielass · F
@CountScrofula Yep, incomes are rising at a faster rate than they have since the early '90s. According to the BLS.
St0ut · 51-55, M
So throw away checks and balences because the stock market ?
beckyromero · 36-40, F
Don't most governments and economists use G[big][u][b]D[/b][/u][/big]P now?
@beckyromero Both don't necessarily mean things are going well. GDP spikes after disasters natural and man made because of the rebuilding boom.
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jackjjackson · 61-69, M
See here’s the way it works. Someone, me in the
Is case posts a question. Anyone who chooses may answer. After answers there may be a discussion among any of thr amswerers about thread subject. You don’t follow the format you get deleted. @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
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jackjjackson · 61-69, M
I explained the process clearly for you and you dint comply. Byeeeeeee @PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

 
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