Do you think choldren born in a country their parents entered illegally should automatically be granted citizenship?
Yes I know what the law reads. I'm asking about your personal opinion
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ladycae · 100+, F
why are you all so unkind? it sounds like you hate these poor innocent children who never asked to be here. is it so awful that we extend to them what we have more than enough of? Funny what deporting all those illegals has caused. more hatred, and jobs that can't be filled. i think illegals should be given a one time amnesty to start a path to citizenship. others entering the country deport them, but we are deporting some great people. they are not all the scum of the earth trump says they are. there are doctors, lawyers, military personnel, scientists, artists, musicians, some of the best and brightest of us. yes, there are some bad hombres, some gang members, drug dealers etc. but there are a lot more people just like you and me who want a better life than they could have where they lived. shame on all of you.
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ladycae · 100+, F
i do read many news sites and digital papers. yes there have been a SMALL number of crimes like you describe but there is no evidence that immigrants cause disease. the measals utbreak was due to an american born from american citizens giving out bad information. and many more amercans choose not to have vaccinations and therefore choose to put other at risk. it is a major problem amoung us citizens many more that are white, born to citizens in this country. the cdc had categoricly stated that immigrants do not carry diseases here from other countries. that is an alex jones conspiracy theory.
[quote]But several studies, over many years, have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the United States. And experts say the available evidence does not support the idea that undocumented immigrants commit a disproportionate share of crime.[/quote]
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html
[quote]Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens...Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens[/quote]
http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/
look here:
https://www.nap.edu/read/21746/chapter/9
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13229.pdf
[quote] A Pew poll earlier this year showed that 71 percent of Republicans believe immigrants make crime worse; 81 percent believe most immigrants don't want to assimilate; and 74 percent say immigrants aren't learning English fast enough.But these beliefs just aren't backed up by the data.
the National Academies of Sciences released the most authoritative report on the subject in nearly two decades. A rockstar panel of sociologists, led by Harvard professor Mary Waters, assembled everything that we know about how the foreign-born are assimilating into American society. Their findings may come as a surprise to those who believe today's immigrants pose a serious, emerging threat to American society.
America’s immigrants, as it turns out, are doing alright.
The report presents a catalog of current data on the foreign-born, but perhaps its most valuable contribution is the historical context. For a nation that takes pride in its immigrant heritage, America has an tradition of denigrating newcomers. As the report points out:
Many descendants of immigrants who are fully integrated into U.S. society remember the success of their immigrant parents and grandparents but forget the resistance they encountered—the riots where Italians were killed, the branding of the Irish as criminals who were taken away in “paddy wagons,” the anti-Semitism that targeted Jewish immigrants, the racist denial of citizenship to Chinese immigrants, and the shameful internment of Japanese American citizens.
This historical amnesia contributes to the tendency to celebrate the nation’s success in integrating past immigrants and to worry that somehow the most recent immigrants will not integrate and instead pose a threat to American society and civic life.
Most studies show that immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes, and that neighborhoods with lots of immigrants tend to be safer ones. Some sociologists even argue that increased immigration is one reason that crime rates declined sharply in the past two decades.
What the evidence actually shows is that immigrants have more to fear from the corrupting influence of American society than vice versa. By the second and third generation, the children of the foreign-born are picking up criminal habits, and their crime rates begin to catch up with that of their peers.
This is but one example of how assimilation can make immigrants worse off. Second-generation immigrants tend to be less healthy than their parents, and more obese. Often, learning to be an American also means picking up poor eating habits and a taste for crime.
[/quote]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/01/these-common-beliefs-about-immigrants-are-all-wrong/?utm_term=.4162f1243711
i can cite tons more. now what are your cites?
[quote]But several studies, over many years, have concluded that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the United States. And experts say the available evidence does not support the idea that undocumented immigrants commit a disproportionate share of crime.[/quote]
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/trump-illegal-immigrants-crime.html
[quote]Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens...Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens[/quote]
http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/
look here:
https://www.nap.edu/read/21746/chapter/9
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13229.pdf
[quote] A Pew poll earlier this year showed that 71 percent of Republicans believe immigrants make crime worse; 81 percent believe most immigrants don't want to assimilate; and 74 percent say immigrants aren't learning English fast enough.But these beliefs just aren't backed up by the data.
the National Academies of Sciences released the most authoritative report on the subject in nearly two decades. A rockstar panel of sociologists, led by Harvard professor Mary Waters, assembled everything that we know about how the foreign-born are assimilating into American society. Their findings may come as a surprise to those who believe today's immigrants pose a serious, emerging threat to American society.
America’s immigrants, as it turns out, are doing alright.
The report presents a catalog of current data on the foreign-born, but perhaps its most valuable contribution is the historical context. For a nation that takes pride in its immigrant heritage, America has an tradition of denigrating newcomers. As the report points out:
Many descendants of immigrants who are fully integrated into U.S. society remember the success of their immigrant parents and grandparents but forget the resistance they encountered—the riots where Italians were killed, the branding of the Irish as criminals who were taken away in “paddy wagons,” the anti-Semitism that targeted Jewish immigrants, the racist denial of citizenship to Chinese immigrants, and the shameful internment of Japanese American citizens.
This historical amnesia contributes to the tendency to celebrate the nation’s success in integrating past immigrants and to worry that somehow the most recent immigrants will not integrate and instead pose a threat to American society and civic life.
Most studies show that immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes, and that neighborhoods with lots of immigrants tend to be safer ones. Some sociologists even argue that increased immigration is one reason that crime rates declined sharply in the past two decades.
What the evidence actually shows is that immigrants have more to fear from the corrupting influence of American society than vice versa. By the second and third generation, the children of the foreign-born are picking up criminal habits, and their crime rates begin to catch up with that of their peers.
This is but one example of how assimilation can make immigrants worse off. Second-generation immigrants tend to be less healthy than their parents, and more obese. Often, learning to be an American also means picking up poor eating habits and a taste for crime.
[/quote]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/01/these-common-beliefs-about-immigrants-are-all-wrong/?utm_term=.4162f1243711
i can cite tons more. now what are your cites?
Graylight · 51-55, F
Why do I care? That child deserves the same education as my (hypothetical) children. They deserve healthcare, security and a childhood free of terror, war and conflict. Why wouldn't I - as a host of a nation with so, so much - not welcome that child in, along with their family? Would I not hope for the same treatment in a foreign land?
These children might become world-class athletes. The might open enterprises that employ thousands. They might save the life of my loved one some day because they ran into a dangerous situation or worked for years and years to achieve superior medical skills. They may go on to become famous and make me laugh, think or be moved. They may one day marry someone I love and want to start a family. They may just grow up and life quiet, productive lives. And yes, some will meet violent, sad or avoidable ends; that's nothing we couldn't say of our own citizens.
This planet isn't yours, it isn't mine and no one has the right to draw a line in the sand and treat it like it's a force field. A human life will [i]always[/i] be more important to me than a blood-soaked patch of land.
These children might become world-class athletes. The might open enterprises that employ thousands. They might save the life of my loved one some day because they ran into a dangerous situation or worked for years and years to achieve superior medical skills. They may go on to become famous and make me laugh, think or be moved. They may one day marry someone I love and want to start a family. They may just grow up and life quiet, productive lives. And yes, some will meet violent, sad or avoidable ends; that's nothing we couldn't say of our own citizens.
This planet isn't yours, it isn't mine and no one has the right to draw a line in the sand and treat it like it's a force field. A human life will [i]always[/i] be more important to me than a blood-soaked patch of land.
unknownpoetx · 36-40, M
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-take-guns-mental-health-florida-school-shooting-due-process-a8233751.html
Tres13 · 51-55, M
@unknownpoetx makes sense but won't happen.
redredred · M
You mean like Joe Kennedy sr.?@unknownpoetx
unknownpoetx · 36-40, M
yes. that's what happens in developed and civilized countries and it's according to the universal human rights.
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
I don't even think people born to citizens in their own country should get citizenship automatically, XD.
Paloma · 26-30, F
Yes, I do
Absolutely!
ladycae · 100+, F
yes
