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Should all Confederate Statues be removed from display?

The family of Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, one of the most famous of all confederate generals.

"Confederate monuments like the Jackson statue were never intended as benign symbols," wrote two of Jackson's great-great grandsons.

"Rather, they were the clearly articulated artwork of white supremacy."

In an open letter to the mayor of Richmond, Virginia - where they live - they called for the removal of statues celebrating their ancestor.

"While we are not ashamed of our great-great-grandfather, we are ashamed to benefit from white supremacy while our black family and friends suffer. We are ashamed of the monument," they wrote.

"As two of the closest living relatives to Stonewall, we are writing today to ask for the removal of his statue, as well as the removal of all Confederate statues from Monument Avenue. They are overt symbols of racism and white supremacy, and the time is long overdue for them to depart from public display."
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I say take them down. Sure there is history behind these "monuments" because they depict real people and real history. But the fact is that these statues did not go up to honor or preserve history. They went up to instill a continued defiance and fear and to send a message. You can do a quick search online and see the time frame of when most of these monuments went up. Most were in the very late 1800's/early 1900's around the time of the Jim Crow Laws being passed and again another spike in them being put up in the 1960's during the Civil Rights movement. That's not coincidence.


https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/whoseheritage-timeline150_years_of_iconography.jpg
sogdianrock · 61-69, M
hi InnocentExile
well said. Great presentation of data.
Best wishes
:)
@SW-User Bravo. I'd bet a lot of people going on about "preserving" don't know about that suspicious timing.

NCCindy · 36-40, F
At the risk of being blocked or trashed by a bunch of people.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and several other of our first presidents were also slave owners ... Should we get rid of their statues too ... where do we draw the line !!!
@vetguy1991 Nonetheless, they were fighting to preserve the U.S., not to preserve slavery as an institution, as the Confederacy was.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
@bijouxbroussard but they were preserving a union that was allowing slavery
@vetguy1991 If you read the Secession statements you will see that the reason given by each state that chose to secede was the concern that slavery, on which their economy was based, would be abolished, as it was being in other states.
rckt148 · 61-69, M
if people think removing flags and monuments will repair social injustice ,
more power to them
since the Civil war ended over 150 yrs ago ,but yet we are still fighting it ,
I would say it was more then flags and monuments that kept the hate alive ,
And it seems we have now forgotten the work of men like Doctor King ,and his work was not about removing flags and monuments ,and his way worked ,and some help from men like LBJ who I am not a fan of ,but I do have to give credit where credit is due ,but what the hell ,if they think this will fix it , give it a go LOL
Until we can end the false entitlement that some think others "Owe them "
This issue will never go away ,I never owned slaves ,nor my Dad ,nor his Dad ,and we had to earn all we have but hard work ,there was no white entitlement involved ,I took a test to enter the military ,I was qualified for the jobs that followed ,I have even worked on Mason crews I was the only white man ,and by my hard work and respect to them ,I gained my place by had work ,not because I was white ,so I owe no one nothing ,and my ancestors we "natives ",I am not crying anyone owes them ,it is what it is
My Generation had came closer then any other in my opinion to finally ending race hate ,(it was still big in the cities maybe ,but its my black brothers and sisters that keep burning everything down and the riots of the 80's ,not whites .
Affirmative action made sure that minorities were as equal in the work place ,
even though many who filled the jobs were not qualified (I helped train men to fill jobs they could not do ,and stayed with them until they got it ,they were my friends ,I was not going to let someone get killed to make a point )
We were the first to have mixed schools ,,and in service ,at least the Coast Guard ,we served with men and women from all over the world ,so color was never an option when I looked for a crew member to have my back
Many many times the person I trusted my life to was a black man or woman ,or a Filipino ,sometimes a Cuban
Before we blame for all crimes associated with race on slavery ,
you might look up black on black crimes in other countries ,where slavery was Never an issue
This is an agenda ,,like the KKK and the Panthers
just this time someone has the funding and the law on their side
The problem is not in monuments and flags ,its in the hearts of men
as long as the earth stands there will be wars and rumors of wars
but when they all say "Peace Peace " thats when you need to worry
A wise man spoke thousands of years ago and events we now refer to as "Signs of the Times " and today they read like the nightly news and a news paper
He said when we hear they have come to a place of peace ,"then comes sudden destruction "
He also said when we see the "Abomination of Desolation " to know the end was closer ,,Well its underway ,and soon will come to a head
and all this will make sense when its to late
And we were given a promise as to how to heal our land ,with so many Christians in the world ,you would think our land would be healed ,I think God keeps His promises ,so what do you think the problem is ? Maybe even the Church as forgot God ?
We were to distracted with tribulations ,to understand the season we are in
Many go on "its the END TIME " but they thought that too ,in 70 ad then the temple was destroyed ,,
it was a monument too ,,but the hate did not end there
the truth just got lost ,and the history repeated over and over
sunrisehawk · 61-69, M
It is a slippery slope when you start erasing history in the name of current opinion. Either you learn from history and teach future generations about the good and bad or you fail them.

Plus it seems to me that this current drive to remove statues and monuments is focused only on one time period. They ignore many others who had similar or even more extreme view who are in the "progressive" camp.

History has taught that many monuments are placed with certain meaning and that meaning changes over the years until they stand for something very different.
@sunrisehawk Heroism ? Fighting for the right to own other human beings ? We define that very differently, then. And you cannot expect the resentments about slavery, the segregationists and the lynchings to go away while continuing to celebrate those who fought specifically to maintain those things. You can't have it both ways.
sunrisehawk · 61-69, M
@bijouxbroussard If you believe that every man or woman who supported the southern cause was fighting for slavery, then you and I have a very different view of humanity and history. It was a critical element and there were many southerners (and northerners - copperheads - democrats) who supported slavery for many different reasons.

Since you believe that erasing all evidence outside of museums will somehow cure the sin of slavery it doesn't leave a lot of room for reminding and educating others to ensure that we avoid that sin in the future.
@sunrisehawk Those who fought for the Confederacy were fighting to preserve their way of life and economy, which was based upon owning other human beings. I'm certain we have a different view of humanity, because as the descendant of U.S. slaves I'm obliged to consider [b]their[/b] humanity, as well.

Do you honestly think the white supremacists fighting to keep those statues and flags prominently displayed are doing it to "remind and educate others to ensure we avoid" such discrimination in future ? Then I have a bridge to sell you. These are the same people who resent Black History Month, which came into being (originally Black History Week) because little about the complete history was being taught in U.S. public schools.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
As one who likes to study history. I'm never sure which is the more stupid.
The victorious North who probably should have had these things destroyed 200 years ago ! Or the vanquished South who really ought to be 'over it' by now !
cycleman · 61-69, M
what do they matter? it is just a stupid friggin statue that doesn't do anything. except stand there.
sogdianrock · 61-69, M
hi cycleman
Does the term cultural icon mean anything to you. Do you know what a statue is? No disrespect intended? Do you know how people absorb political ideas from their cultural environment. Have you ever heard of the phrase " putting someone on a pedestal?"
These are some of the reasons they matter.
Best wishes
:)
cycleman · 61-69, M
@sogdianrock so what!
they become a great roost for pigeons.
sogdianrock · 61-69, M
hi cycleman ·
I see where you are coming from/
Best wishes
:)
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sogdianrock · 61-69, M
hi waleskinder
well read what the family of stonewall jackson said above and reflect on the 2015 killings by Dylann Roof, the self-identified and unrepentant white supremacist who killed nine black churchgoers in South Carolina, was sentenced to death by a federal jury.

Roof, 22, had been previously convicted of 33 counts for the attack on the historically black Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston – 24 of which were classified as hate crimes. The mostly-white jury deliberated for three hours before handing the judge their unanimous verdict as Roof stood expressionless.

The 17 June 2015 killings sparked a national debate about the legacy of racism and white supremacy in the US, resulting in the removal of the Confederate flag from outside the South Carolina statehouse amid significant protests.

And Roof drew from that racist history in his motivation for committing the terror attack at the historical church.

“I did what I thought would make the biggest wave,” the white supremacist wrote in a journal while he was held in custody, “and now the fate of our race is in the hands of my brothers who continue to live freely.”

Three days after the shooting took place, federal investigators uncovered a website with 60 images and a 2,000-word manifesto that delved deep into Roof’s troubling racist beliefs, outlining why he chose the Charleston church with the intent of inciting a race war.

That is what it is all about.
Best wishes
:)
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Firespirit · 26-30, M
as far as I am aware a statue can't hold racial prejudice and these are monets that represent history And I can understand taking down some that may of been put up with ill intentions but not all were some of these show southern pride for the ones lost on both sides. Plus these are american war veterans
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No because it takes away history
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@SakuraShimeji Those represent the relationship that exists now. We have museums for Confederacy memorabilia. Do you have statues and plaques dedicated to the Enola Gay ? Bet you [b]don't[/b].
sogdianrock · 61-69, M
hi Kamijo
Interesting. Why No?
best wishes
:)
Yes, the same way all the swastikas and statues of Hitler were removed in Germany. They also represent a very ugly time in our country's history. They should be placed in museums, so no one can pretend that it didn't happen, but no one can logically dismiss resentments about slavery as "in the past" while still celebrating the people who fought to [b]maintain[/b] that institution.
MURD3RM0NK3Y · 26-30, M
Yea who gives a shit about those stupid statues
SW-User
Yes. They should be in a museum.
CanadianGentleman1976 · 46-50, M
Yes, of course.
sogdianrock · 61-69, M
hi CanadianGentleman1976]
what a great name.
What a great answer!
Best wishes
:)

 
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