Do you sometimes feel guilty eating meat, if so, why?

@swirlie Actually cattle's risk for mad cow disease is through eating feed that is infected with the remains of other cattle or sheep. That means bad feed practices.

@swirlie Choosing to eat red meat or not eat red meat is a personal decision but I'm just saying, it's more complicated than that. Not eating red meat may or may not lower chances of getting the variant but it won't lower the chances of getting sporadic or familial CJD. Sporadic occurs in 85% of cases where as variant is less than 1% and is very low.

Sporadic and Familial are statistically way higher than variant.

Sporadic CJD - occurs in about 85% of cases and isn't due to eating meat. It occurs when normal proteins spontaneously mutate into abnormal prions.

Variant CJD (vCJD) - occurs in both animals and humans. Less than 1% of people with CJD have the variant type.

Familial CJD or Inherited CJD - accounts for about 5 to 15% of cases. When a parent has the mutated gene, the chances of the child getting it are about 50%.

Other risk factors for CJD include medical surgeries or testing.

https://www.healthline.com/health/creutzfeldt-jakob-disease

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/creutzfeldt-jakob-disease/symptoms-causes/syc-20371226

@swirlie I just looked up what you were talking about "massive people dying from CJD" because it made no sense and found that people are dying from a mysterious brain disease that is suspected to be an environmental toxin and not cattle. The neurologist who did the autopsy said there's no evidence it even resembles a prion disease, nothing was their exact words.

Officials say it's not the same disease, not that it couldn't be but I don't want to leap to any conclusions and say I know more than the scientists at this point sorry...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9423085/Mysterious-brain-disease-resembles-deadly-Mad-Cow-Disease-reported-43-people-Canada.html

So anyways, the sporadic one which isn't caused by eating meat accounts for 85%, the other 5 to 15% is family genetics. Meaning that even if you're vegan, you can still get it so there's nothing complicated about that, I'd say I was pretty straight forward.

https://www.healthtap.com/questions/1536967-i-m-afraid-of-getting-a-prion-disease-how-can-i-prevent-this/

I've already stated eating red meat or not is more of a personal choice based on what you feel about it so I'm not arguing with you. If you feel like it will keep you safe from dementia when older then I wouldn't blame someone for being scared enough not to eat red meat. I've already stated that so I won't go on about it.

@swirlie https://www.healthtap.com/questions/6854543-does-the-fact-that-ive-ate-meat-from-hunted-deer-in-the-past-put-me-at-risk-of-developing-a-prion-di/

@swirlie *Blows whistle*

@swirlie If I was in denial then I wouldn't produce a well rounded view of the different types of CJD and how they can infect you or openly produce links. As I said before, I don't blame anyone for not eating red meat, this is more of a personal choice.

But you're making this personal and trying to manipulate into having me back myself up by assuming things and making general character attacks, which honestly seems to be a very Trump thing to do since he does that in debates too but if you're deluded enough to believe your lie than I guess nothing I say can stop you.

The fact of the matter is you don't get prions from simply eating red meat, you get them from brain, spinal, nerve tissue which can simply be prevented. Humans can't get the disease simply eating regular cow meat or muscle meat or milk.

Every authority says that variant kind is rare, sporadic is 85% of cases, no amount of name calling will change that. No amount, understand?

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/creutzfeldt-jakob-disease-cjd/prevention/

@swirlie I'm sure the NHS, mayo clinic, Harvard will all vote for trump according to you because that's where I get my information from.

@swirlie In order for there to be an organization, people have to be in them to run. So when I say I get my information from said organization, I'm really getting them from people so no I don't believe all those articles were written by some building rather than people. You're just being pretty childish at this point.


I have no issue, I've stated that variant CJD exists and now for the fourth time, if it truly makes one feel better, you got to do what you feel comfortable with, certainly the chances are a bit lower but that doesn't stop sporadic and mutations.

However, I'm not going to bend facts to suit you. People should have a well rounded view of things. Your view is that CJD can be completely prevented by abstaining from all meat and that I'm a Trump supporter if I don't completely believe that all this could just be 100% eradicated because the reality is that prions are a mutation that seem to awaken with certain chemical pathways, prions are a mutation but the chemical pathways part is just my opinion from my research.

Though I don't blame people for not eating red meat but me not buying what you're selling isn't cause to act all stupid with me.

Few interesting links:

https://greenercities.org/cities-spreading-alzheimers-disease-with-sewage-sludge/

https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i18/Plant-protein-acts-like-prion.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-a-prion-specifica/

@swirlie Okay well there's nothing left to say to someone who just insults and gaslights, let me know if you want to be an adult and then we'll handle it.

@swirlie

@swirlie
I've already said that you can get variant from red meat and I've already stated I don't blame someone for not eating it. I just don't think it tells the full picture.

For instance the CDC website as paraphrased says that variant CJD is NOT the same disease as classic CJD. It has different clinical and pathological characteristics. All the different types of CJD has different genetic profiles of the prion protein gene.

https://www.cdc.gov/prions/vcjd/about.html



And what conspiracy website have I constantly gone to, the NHS (National Health Service,) Mayo Clinic, Scientific American and pubmed? Which one?

Oh excuse me, there was ONE link I produced that wasn't a health authority in which was talking about a prion researcher at the New York University School of Medicine talking about the rise of prions in human wastes and that human wastes being collected at sludge treatment plants and spreading to veggies, water and everything else we eat. But yeah I'm sure that prion researcher knows less than you, some random on the internet.


Nope sure doesn't but again I think factory farms, bad feed and bad treatment of animals caters to that type of disease in the first place along with bad practices like human wastes being spread around everywhere like the article said even on veggies and in water.

I do think it's a matter of lack of responsibility and no one to hold them accountable. The only people trying to hold people accountable are people with their own agenda and that's troubling since it solves no issues. People are not going to just stop eating meat en masse and so it serves little purpose to suggest a solution that we don't even know is a solution in the first place since more research is needed.

What we actually need, is more funding towards studying the different types of CJD since not enough is known about them. Prematurely drawing conclusions just isn't practical. The fact is, we need a lot of funding to go into actually studying these things.


Prove that it's not factory farms and bad feed rather than pasture raised cattle, I'd like a source for your claim that these were not factory farms. We all know the health of the animal matters.

@swirlie You responded a big long paragraph saying that I was a conspiracy theorist and that I denied the existence of vCJD first. You want to make it seem like I'm the one mostly starting stuff. Nice try though.

So again, since you can't answer me back without gaslighting:

@swirlie Again:

@swirlie Since you can't debate the CDC, you'd rather gaslight instead. I think it's cute that's the only tactic you have left ☺️