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Do women in "abusive relationships" have themselves to blame?

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i mean thats like being in the same room with a shooter and u just dont leave, its like u asking for it
Let me try to break it down for you.

#1 - it’s not ALWAYS constant. There may be pauses between abuse sessions - months or even years.

#2 - our lives are not ONLY spent with a spouse. There are children, extended families, friends. Often when a victim of abuse leaves, some or all of those ties are severed. It can get lonesome out there.

#3 - The most dangerous time in abusive relationships is when the victim leaves. That’s when most of the murders happen.

#4 - protective orders are useless with many abusers. They are controlling and a piece of paper, court or no court, will not stop them. I think it’s a little better now, but a couple of decades ago the police weren’t much interested in ‘meddling in a marriage.

#5 - Abuse victims listen to a lot of abusive language, unfair accusations. Before long, the victim believes it.

#6 - If there are children, it means that except in the most egregious cases, the parents will be required to be connected - at least until the kids are grown and gone. If one parent is violent, that’s a long fearful time.
@WillaKissing yahoo! Independence Day. How is the healing going?
WillaKissing · 56-60
@Mamapolo2016 Well I wrote out a statement that this happens to men too.

But even in the healing process even with PTSD counseling I have decided it is better to abstain than to ever put myself out there ever again. Post divorce dating was all bad experiences too because both parties that date post-divorce have been damaged one way or another and then trying to combine her kids and my kids because I raised mine by myself became something I hated trying to do.

So, abstaining and being Willa is my therapy.
@WillaKissing We survive how we survive.
I hate that this is still even a question. 😔
pentacorn · F
leaving an abuser is the most dangerous time for an abused woman, whether or not she does it in secrecy. even with help, even with resources, of which most don't have because the abuser has designed it to be this way. no one has a right to judge a victim for being scared and, most times, helpless.
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
@Sharon I had an ex GF that would not leave me alone. I tactfully told her that I did not think things would work out for us. I told her she was nice but I had no intention of seeing her long term and marriage was out of the question. She said she understood and said bye.

Long story short. The next night she called me at home and her gf told her that she should allow me to do "anything I wanted to her". I told her I did not want to do anything with her and she went ballistic. She said no man had ever refused her and I would not be the first.

She called me EVERY night. Her record was 81x. (caller ID). She left messages on my car at work, my front door, she parked her car at the park across the street from me and spied on me, watched me at work, drove past my house at night with the lights off. and continued to Call me even if I answered and hung up on her.

One time I was shopping for a new car 30 miles from home. I went to the drive in at McD to get a soda and she was in my rear view mirror, in the car behind me.

I saw a lawyer and he said she was 'only a woman'.

I went to the courthouse and asked a legal clerk about it and she said to hang up on her.

I was going to file charges but I did not want to stand up in the middle of a courtroom and be embarrassed by others.

She continued to call every night until I moved a year later.

That woman was unstable. But I had no idea until I said 'no'.

But if I had done those things to her, I would have been in jail.
@Sharon @DallasCowboysFanI apologize. I slipped. Until fairly recently, domestic violence was considered to be perpetrated by men against women. We’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg. Men are slowly starting to report being victimized. There is violence between same-sex partners. It happens in wealthy families and in desperately poor ones.

@DallasCowboysFan “She’s only a woman.”

Yes, which points up one of the serious failings in society. She’s no longer ‘just a woman’ when she acquires a gun or a knife or runs over the man she ‘loves” with a car. Or poisons him. He will be just as dead.

You dodged a bullet, friend, and I’m so glad you did.
Sharon · F
@Mamapolo2016 I'm not sure what you're apologizing for. Your coments were completely sex neutral. Most discussion of domestic abuse follow the misandrist propaganda and prusume it's (almost) exclusively male on female. All the truly independent and academic studies find that female on male abuse is approximately just as prevalent.
WillaKissing · 56-60
As a man that was married to a very manipulative verbally and, mentally abusive wife of a total of 11 years of marriage and divorced on the 11th year let me add this happens to good men and it ruins them too like it did me.

I married my ex-wife out of 100% love and lust of her. Once married she quit takin her Bi-polar medication and cheated in the first year. She told me she needed to decide if she wanted the marriage or not and decided to stay. We had a son and daughter together my glue that kept me in the marriage I put her through nursing college to get her RN BSN degree. On our 7th wedding anniversary, I quit trying because I could not break her mental and verbally abuse towards me, and a few times she threw objects across a room that hit me in the arm or face. I stayed hoping she would get back on her meds and plea with her to do so without any success, and maybe we could rekindle that love I "THOUGHT" we had. When she came to me on Thanksgiving evening after all friends and family went home from our house to tell me we needed a divorce so she could be with her soulmate a doctor she worked with at the hospital. I quit and said fine take him file he divorce I am done.

Post divorce the kids "BOTH" asked and did come to live with me because mom started doing to them that she had done to me mentally and verbally abuse wise. I will let this stand on its own merit.

As a 5'10" 240-pound male at the time that bench pressed 405 pounds in the Army as an unarmed self-defense expert I never once thought of harming her or being abessive in any way. She was 5'6'' 110 pounds and I loved and honored her like I was taught too by my parents. Now this entire experience couple with several post-divorce disaster dating relationships leaves me hating the term let alone the idea of marriage or a relationship.

Besides these wars and injuries and 12 major surgeries from them and being blown up and other things changed me into who I am today. Documented PTSD from childhood, marriage, and military of 27 years' service. This happens to men too.

And I stayed as long as I did out of love of the person I dated and hoping she would revert back to the lie of whom she was during our dating and our kids together.
@WillaKissing They leave wreckage even after the relationship ends.
WillaKissing · 56-60
@Mamapolo2016 Yes, they do!
Primnproper · 56-60, F
After running a refuge for 7yrs my answer is no person neither woman/man deserves physical abuse. In some cases women can reach a point where they get a burst of courage to stand up to it to their own detriment because they’re often past believing they’re going to survive it. Let’s not forget there are plenty of good men/women that when they feel they are getting to a point of losing control they can take themselves away from the situation. The fear felt when faced with your abuser is incomprehensible, they convince you of the lengths they will go to if you try to leave and you believe it and in many cases it’s true.
LilPrincess · 41-45, F
I guess it's easy to be a judgmental person if you haven't been through it.

I spent 10 years with fractures, covering up black eyes, broken ribs. Being mentally and physically abused. Lost a cousin who was murdered for trying to leave her abusive relationship.

I got to escape but then he stole my kids for 2 years then put them through living hell. After the help of CPS and the police and courts I got my kids but none of us will be the same.
LilPrincess · 41-45, F
@OlderSometimesWiser it took a lot to write that. Sometimes I feel like I can't catch a break because my last few relationships were not physically abusive but mental. Bruises heal but words stay a long time.
@LilPrincess I applaud you for writing that. I’m sure it couldn’t have been easy dealing with the mental images it brought forth.

Words can indeed be brutal. But I hope it won’t be long before you find the love you deserve. 🙂
LilPrincess · 41-45, F
@OlderSometimesWiser thank ya. I hope that for myself because I know there is someone out there good in a world that is filled with evil
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
It's far more complicated than that. Does she have a place to go? What is the risk that she would be caught while running away and killed? Can she objectively know that if she's constantly threatened? How high is probability that if she runs away and becomes homeless she might get treated even worse later? Why do people think other people care and are willing to help someone in need? Do you get the impression that people in the comment section care? Just how long exactly does she need to stay in the relationship for it to be "her fault"?
Ontheroad · M
I've typed this response three times: "This question is abusive" and deleted it.

Please, try doing some reading and thinking before posting a question like that.
Ducky · 31-35, F
In a manner of speaking in most cases, yes. [b]But[/b] some serious empathy is needed when addressing this, because for many, it’s not so simple for them to just leave and we are at a point where asking anyone in an abusive relationship why they don’t just do so is a bit insensitive.
Sharon · F
I knew a couple of men who were abused by their female partners so, in those cases, I'd say the women were to blame. I don't know of any women who were abused by their male partners but I'd say the same applies - the abuser is to blame.
Manneeds · 41-45, M
Its only their fault if they stay once it starts and they do not reach out for help abd do not get out and the woman stays
NinaCherry · 26-30, F
@Roundandroundwego how did the abusive rtlship topic went to NATO? 😐
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@NinaCherry It takes a lot to save money when the abuser controls the finances.
No one deserves to be in an abusive relationship, but sometimes it's difficult for people to separate their feelings from the facts. There are some people who seem to attract abusive people, and end up in multiple relationships like that.
@BizSuitStacy [quote]No one deserves to be in an abusive relationship
[/quote] THIS.
@BizSuitStacy I’ve read in depth about this. It seems that the abused, who must find coping mechanisms to deal with the incredible stress.

Especially soon after an abusive relationship, the victims telegraph their psychological wounds by timid posture, not making eye contact, and so on. And there are plenty of predators who are eager to take over. It’s much like a person imprisoned for 20 years fears release because prison is all they know.
Unfortunately, it’s complicated.
The person being abused is [b]never[/b] to blame.

Having said that, people who stay and refuse help (especially when there are children) are damaged. Sometimes they think they’re keeping the family intact, but it’s never healthy for kids to grow up witnessing abuse.

One place I volunteered years ago was in a women’s shelter. I only worked there for a short time and became very disillusioned about a lot of things in that environment.
TheOthetAcc · 36-40, M
The way I see it, if you are a grown adult you are responsible for your own safety. It's not your fault for finding yourself in an abusive relationship but it is your fault for staying (I said staying, not for getting killed).
eventtemple123 · 22-25, M
Narcissists will always do just enough to keep you coming back for more, making it even harder for the actual victim to recognize they are even being abused. "If they were really a bad person, why would they have [insert genuinely nice gesture here]." This is one of many reasons why some continue to stay in these relationships. My parents unfortunately fit perfectly into this category and it took me about 20 years to fully realize I was being abused.
NinaCherry · 26-30, F
@eventtemple123 yeah like my moms stole money from me
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
I think that sometimes abused women accept their condition because they have been abused so long, they think it is normal.

Whenever you treat them nice, with respect, they push you away because they think you are too good for them or that they don't deserve you.


I dated a woman that had been raped twice and she blamed herself for them, because 'she should have known better'.

And when she was married to her second husband (she had been married 3X when I met her) he beat her often. She did not leave him until he beat her so bad she laid unconscious on the floor for 12 hours. Her husband and her father in law, walked over her when she was lying on the floor. When she woke up she grabbed her 2 kids and left the state.

It was hard to rationalize things with her regarding domestic abuse.

And she was a nurse, so you would have thought she had less tolerance for this.

But you can't change anyone unless they want to change.
@DallasCowboysFan You point out another important issue. I was once told by someone experienced in such matters, that there is no such thing as a sick/well partnership involving domestic violence.

Living in such a situation changes the victim. They make insane concessions to the abuser. They live ‘crazy’ and have to psychologically cope somehow.

And as you and others have noted, “they will never be the same.”
Kstrong · 56-60, F
The only actions I can control are mine.... I can't control theirs....
Kstrong · 56-60, F
No one asks for abuse, it's the perpetrator, they may be afraid to leave, it's not constant and the good outweighs the bad times, their will come a time when it comes to a head, and something has gotta change
Heartlander · 80-89, M
I think it’s a bit more complicated. Easier when there may be a safe harbor, more difficult if the world outside the abusive relationship looks as threatening as the abusive relationship. Other considerations.
That is unkind and cruel. If you have never been in that kind of situation, you cannot understand it. One's life is a part of a whole number of peoples. MamaP answered this best. I hope you never have to endure any kind of abuse.
smiler2012 · 56-60
@NinaCherry if they are in abusive relationship it is not there fault and need too get out fast
NinaCherry · 26-30, F
@smiler2012 but if they can afford to leave and they dont, then what the hell does that say
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In a sense yes because they decide to stay when they shouldn’t but leaving isn’t easy either. Took me a long time to accept it’s gotta end and leave my toxic relationship.
TheOthetAcc · 36-40, M
@Wallflow3r So you're available? 😏
@TheOthetAcc My last relationship, I am in a new one since then. 😝
TheOthetAcc · 36-40, M
@Wallflow3r Damn... My poor heart just broke.
Firestarter · 26-30, F
It depends I think
Really · 80-89, M
@Firestarter Einstein's Even-More-General Theory of Relativity ' - '[i]It All Depends[/i]'
Heavenlywarrior · 36-40, M
This is very common and one would hope that they could be aware of the danger. A lot of women who end up being trafficked are usually manipulated psychologically with promises until they wake up realizing they have been groomed and abused by 4000 plus sick individuals.
When they keep coming back for more, as many do, then yes.
Hanginginthere · 31-35, M
they only have themselves to blame when they have a chance to leave but choose to stay, foolishly believing the abuser will change.
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