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does kneeling for a dom mean the same as submitting

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Kneeling for a Dom is the same as submitting to a Dom
Kneeling for a Dom is differant than submitting to a Dom
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I have a submissive friend who says she kneels for a Dom but that its not the same as submitting to him,
I disagree with that ,She says she only does it because he request her to kneel when there talking , i told her your submitting to him she says she isn't .
so will some Doms or subs give me some there thoughts about this .
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herDestiny · 36-40, F Best Comment
Well, I know from experience that submission can be triggered and it can be automatic like a reflex. It’s disorienting when that happens, it can also feel like a betrayal, but I’m not sure who is responsible for it. It may be a betrayal from oneself. A reflex isn’t a choice, If something flies toward your face, you dodge it without thinking.

Submission is a choice, it is not submission if no choice was made. So if it was triggered or forced, that would mean that it wasn’t a choice, which means that triggered or forced kneeling doesn’t fall under the definition of submission.
herDestiny · 36-40, F
@dominateofyou I follow a Wordpress blog of a sub that has 4 Doms, it doesn’t interest me that much and I’m not sure why. I just get bored with it. Also, my friend had 2 Doms and had no issue with serving both.
dominateofyou · 61-69, M
@herDestiny And what friend had 2 doms , I can only think of one and one of her doms was here husband , If that is what you want tell us how that has worked out what do the 2 doms think about that arrangement.
dominateofyou · 61-69, M
@herDestiny the problem i see with 2 Doms is that im most cases the Doms dont communicate with each other or one is dishonest . from my understanding a sub must call other Doms sir but Ihave yet to here of a sub kneeling to any Dom she choses with with out her present doms permission if she dosent have a Dom then i think kneeling is ok i think its ok to kneel for a different Dom even if she is seeing a Dom but he hasent become her official Dom .

In this case, it's different because she's not serving the dom in question - she's just following an instruction from him... I'm not sure why she would be kneeling before someone she isn't serving at his request, but...

Maybe, she's trying to tell you that she's not in a formal situationship with the dimdom in question - some doms do get a bit carried away and issue instruction to subs that aren't theirs. If she's a sub in the right mindset, she could be following instruction without thinking about it. The question is:- How far does it go???
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dominateofyou · 61-69, M
@allygator18 I agree thats after the previous amendment in 20 June 2023.
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dominateofyou · 61-69, M
@allygator18 I see im glad you told me about the update i missed that in the last board meeting.
dominateofyou · 61-69, M
@HootyTheNightOwl Thank you ,You have put into words what iI have been thinking but it seems the sub and I are not talking right now
@dominateofyou You know that a dom has to make decisions that promote good health, not only for his submissive, but for himself, too. That's why I never accepted another submissive at my feet - not because I couldn't do it... but because it wasn't in her best interests to serve me. I am sick and I can't guarantee that I will be able to get out of bed from one day to the next.

It's not always a bad thing to hold off if your gut tells you "This is not your girl"... like I did. The door is still open for you and you would be better off looking for the right fit rather than settling for a submissive that you can work with. If you at least have your basic requirements in place, like "No other Dom/mes unless both agree to it prior" (It's a sound rule to have, given your work and family commitments - a lot of the time, the submissives don't think about how much behind the scenes communication goes into getting on the same page and you really don't want to be wasting your energy overruling stupid rules that are ultimately harmful for your submissive... again), you can at least build on the rest instead of trying to cram a truck engine into a Prius.

As a dom, you shouldn't be competing to keep your subs attention... I mean, I'm pretty much a one guy sub and I expect the same from the girl that I'd be putting so much of myself into in return. It's not a big ask, given that the ups and downs affect doms just as much as they do subs. Loyalty in return for loyalty feels fair to me.
dominateofyou · 61-69, M
@HootyTheNightOwl some times the relationships between a dom and sub has lots of ups and downs i agree a sub should not be trying to serve 2 doms as she ends up confused who to listen to and who to serve and all the time she has to spend between then the quality of her submission suffers.
@dominateofyou Exactly - and it's frustrating for the dom to see some of the idiotic things the dimdoms put in place... especially when you know enough to see that it's harmful and dangerous for the sub, but she won't listen to sound logic and reasoning.

Even when I got inadvertent instruction from a dom that I wasn't serving, it took me a while to get back into serving the dom who owned me comfortably. I had to go right back to basics and get used to his language and mannerisms all over again... on the whole, it was easier for me to just avoid everything that looked like instruction and my former dom supported me with that.

To this day, I still feel like that is best for me, should I ever return to the lifestyle... however, I would also be looking to hand over some rights to other members of my man's family - purely so that they can step in and issue me with certain instruction to control my medical conditions if he is 2+ hours away from me. It would only apply regarding medical situations, though for obvious reasons. Everything else would go through him.
dominateofyou · 61-69, M
good explanation my understanding from his side is he is her dom she tells me he is not her dom that is where the disagreement came from . he story is she just wants to kneel for a dom and isn't submitting to him .
@dominateofyou Yeah... I wouldn't be looking to involve myself in that situation - it feels too messy for my liking.

Even if you determine that it's in her best interests to have no dealings with him going forward from here (as many Dom/mes do), I wonder how diligent and truthful she would be with following that rule you have set???

If he's saying that he is her dom, I'd be inclined to believe him - after all, what does he stand to gain from lying to you??? She has vested interest in having another dom to serve when he is dark for whatever reason... yet, he has nothing to benefit him because she'll be serving two doms and you have issues with conflicting instruction to deal with.
dominateofyou · 61-69, M
i believe he honestly believes she is his sub.
But i agree with your take on this it was just a question guess i wanted clarification on it .she is not my sub now
@dominateofyou It sounds to me like your instincts are guiding you down the right road.

I don't feel like the balance would be right for you if you were to accept her. I mean, sure multiple doms can control the same submissive - but that requires a lot of communication between all the doms that you don't really have the time to invest into talking... and it takes away from the limited time that you already have to spend guiding your sub.

If he is of the opinion that she is his, those waters are muddied - and it might be worth asking yourself if you really want to invest in breaking down that existing bond or if your time might be better spent looking for a submissive who has already gone through release/abandonment???

At least, with the latter, you are starting from ground zero and building afresh rather than trying to maintain whatever schedules someone else has already trained her to.
i would reply that it is an act of submitting but not the totality of submitting.
dominateofyou · 61-69, M
@LamontCranston If its kneeling for a womans dom then its part of total submission to him , in the case of some BDSM followers a submissive kneels for different doms i think Whooty the night owl explained better than i did
@dominateofyou yes, it does seem so.

 
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