Why creation?
Have you ever wonder what this is all about? Why creation happened? What if it didn’t happen?
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SDavis · 56-60, F
Revelation 12:717
Satan and his angels cast down to earth _ they lost the coup _ thrown out of heaven
John 16:10-11
The Earth (meaning human inhibitors in these flesh bodies) is under judgment and the prince of this world has **already** been judged
Matthew 25:41 hell was created / prepared for Satan and the angels that followed him (So why well man could be condemned to hell)
The bible doesn't mention where the one third of an innumerable host of angels that followed Satan and was cast out of heaven down to earth with him are ....... The Bible doesn't mention that any of them has been judged .............................
Jude 6 tells us that the Angels who LEFT heaven, the Watchers, are being held for judgment.....................................................
Joshua 24:15 __ and the majority of the Bible is telling and almost begging man to choose righteousness to choose God.
1) Being that man is placed here and can't go anywhere else to live outside of this planet - this may be a what could be considered
prison........................................................
2) considering that man is under judgment and quite frankly always has been. Adam and his offspring were under judgment before Adam disobeyed God and sinned. But it wasn't until Adam acted, sinned and disobeyed God that judgment became enforceable. God told him what not to do and he did it anyway. And only because of God's mercy we all haven't been condemned as it is written all have sinned .... And that is referring to everyone from the beginning of the existence of man to the end of days. Is Earth a prison......................................................
3) is Earth a holding place for the fallen - until each and everyone has had the opportunity to be judged. Considering angels 1/3 of an innumerable host were cast to Earth that could be trillions zillions and quadruple those numbers...................
4) could it be that this is a fair and unbiased way to determine who is repentance / actually sorry for their actions. Living here unaware of the past in heavenly places. What we do, what we choose, in this temporary life - determines our fate - only God can kill the spirit...................................
5) when we die our bodies go back to the dust of the earth and our spirits go back to God who gave them Ecclesiastes 12:7
6) last but maybe most important scripture indicates in several places
a.God knew each one of us before we were born. b.God had already given some to Christ. c. Everybody's name are already written in the Book of Life, the unsaved are blotted out........ Those things indicate we all were in heaven before we were on Earth
Anyway it's Food for Thought
Satan and his angels cast down to earth _ they lost the coup _ thrown out of heaven
John 16:10-11
The Earth (meaning human inhibitors in these flesh bodies) is under judgment and the prince of this world has **already** been judged
Matthew 25:41 hell was created / prepared for Satan and the angels that followed him (So why well man could be condemned to hell)
The bible doesn't mention where the one third of an innumerable host of angels that followed Satan and was cast out of heaven down to earth with him are ....... The Bible doesn't mention that any of them has been judged .............................
Jude 6 tells us that the Angels who LEFT heaven, the Watchers, are being held for judgment.....................................................
Joshua 24:15 __ and the majority of the Bible is telling and almost begging man to choose righteousness to choose God.
1) Being that man is placed here and can't go anywhere else to live outside of this planet - this may be a what could be considered
prison........................................................
2) considering that man is under judgment and quite frankly always has been. Adam and his offspring were under judgment before Adam disobeyed God and sinned. But it wasn't until Adam acted, sinned and disobeyed God that judgment became enforceable. God told him what not to do and he did it anyway. And only because of God's mercy we all haven't been condemned as it is written all have sinned .... And that is referring to everyone from the beginning of the existence of man to the end of days. Is Earth a prison......................................................
3) is Earth a holding place for the fallen - until each and everyone has had the opportunity to be judged. Considering angels 1/3 of an innumerable host were cast to Earth that could be trillions zillions and quadruple those numbers...................
4) could it be that this is a fair and unbiased way to determine who is repentance / actually sorry for their actions. Living here unaware of the past in heavenly places. What we do, what we choose, in this temporary life - determines our fate - only God can kill the spirit...................................
5) when we die our bodies go back to the dust of the earth and our spirits go back to God who gave them Ecclesiastes 12:7
6) last but maybe most important scripture indicates in several places
a.God knew each one of us before we were born. b.God had already given some to Christ. c. Everybody's name are already written in the Book of Life, the unsaved are blotted out........ Those things indicate we all were in heaven before we were on Earth
Anyway it's Food for Thought
SW-User
The Hindu Rig Veda has the answer:-
Who knows then whence it first came into being? He the first origin of this creation, whether he formed it all or did not form it, whose eye controls this world in highest heaven, he verily knows it, or perhaps he knows it not.
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Who knows? It's the one's with the cast iron "answers" who scare the shit out of me.
There seems to me to be a profound meaning to there being no indisputable "answer" - "answers" close the mind, which is the polar opposite of the Biblical "the truth will set you free".
Freedom is a constant advance into novelty.
Who knows then whence it first came into being? He the first origin of this creation, whether he formed it all or did not form it, whose eye controls this world in highest heaven, he verily knows it, or perhaps he knows it not.
😀
Who knows? It's the one's with the cast iron "answers" who scare the shit out of me.
There seems to me to be a profound meaning to there being no indisputable "answer" - "answers" close the mind, which is the polar opposite of the Biblical "the truth will set you free".
Freedom is a constant advance into novelty.
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SW-User
@fakable Well, I would say that it is precisely the answer of the Rig Veda that provides the only answer we are going to get. For reasons as stated.
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SDavis · 56-60, F
God exists from eternity to eternity and beyond. A form of "spiritual energy" that's living and thinks.
He creates because he can.
Even Einstein said before the Big Bang singularity there was nothing. Black, dence, void, nothing, visible and using the Bible's words God said let there be light - and from ALL the illustrations of what occurred at the moment of the Big Bang singularity there was a burst of microwave, radiation light, would have been invisible to the human eye but light. Full of substances that would turn into what is visible today - planets, suns, clouds, gases, and Waters.
His essence is creating, bringing light and life to the dark, vast, endless space.
Humans on "earth" ( whose first name was probably Eden God's Garden) after the fall of the Angels seem to had been formed especially for judgment. God did tell man and woman to be fruitful and multiply and "replenish" the Earth.
If creation of man didn't happen there would be no judgment - life on Earth would have been uncursed.
If creation of the universe didn't happen it would still be total darkness in endless space.
He creates because he can.
Even Einstein said before the Big Bang singularity there was nothing. Black, dence, void, nothing, visible and using the Bible's words God said let there be light - and from ALL the illustrations of what occurred at the moment of the Big Bang singularity there was a burst of microwave, radiation light, would have been invisible to the human eye but light. Full of substances that would turn into what is visible today - planets, suns, clouds, gases, and Waters.
His essence is creating, bringing light and life to the dark, vast, endless space.
Humans on "earth" ( whose first name was probably Eden God's Garden) after the fall of the Angels seem to had been formed especially for judgment. God did tell man and woman to be fruitful and multiply and "replenish" the Earth.
If creation of man didn't happen there would be no judgment - life on Earth would have been uncursed.
If creation of the universe didn't happen it would still be total darkness in endless space.
Renkon · 36-40, M
@SDavis I understand what you are saying.
But the Big Bang is still only a theory. But it seems plausible in many respects. What we know is that the observable Universe is expanding. And that combined with theory of relativity, Hawkings and some others before him, postulated a singularity in the beginning. It doesn't mean nothing existed before that. The time WE KNOW is only applicable after the Big Bang. That's all.
Modern study has shown that the cosmic expansion is not uniform. It's lopsided. It indicates that our universe could have started from the reminiscence of another Universe.
But the Big Bang is still only a theory. But it seems plausible in many respects. What we know is that the observable Universe is expanding. And that combined with theory of relativity, Hawkings and some others before him, postulated a singularity in the beginning. It doesn't mean nothing existed before that. The time WE KNOW is only applicable after the Big Bang. That's all.
Modern study has shown that the cosmic expansion is not uniform. It's lopsided. It indicates that our universe could have started from the reminiscence of another Universe.
SDavis · 56-60, F
@Renkon thank you.... your words May benefit someone who reads them.
I never said the Big Bang was a fact.
You see I have read other theories concerning the origin of the universe and the Big Bang is the one that is accepted as fact
https://interestingengineering.com/science/5-alternatives-to-the-big-bang-theory
I've read some posted articles concerning the expansion of the universe, what is occurring even to this day and has occurred since the Big Bang singularity.
Quite frankly I have no interest in it I do this just to get the information out and for people to do their own research if they actually want to know.
I believe in the Creator - if there was such a thing as the Big Bang - God said let there be light - and when one looks at all diagrams of what the big bang singularity looks like - they all start with a point of light. Someone on another forum continue to argue with me there was no light. Yet article said it was a burst of light, microwave radiation light, not visible to the human eye (but light still the same) and when diagrams are drawn and they all reflect the same, that means they've gotten it from a reliable source of information.
As far as time is concerned I do not believe time existed before God created it. And it's use and creation is for the benefit of man and scripture is quite clear that days (which is a calculation of time) will end. God does not exist in time and neither will the redeemed.
I never said the Big Bang was a fact.
You see I have read other theories concerning the origin of the universe and the Big Bang is the one that is accepted as fact
https://interestingengineering.com/science/5-alternatives-to-the-big-bang-theory
I've read some posted articles concerning the expansion of the universe, what is occurring even to this day and has occurred since the Big Bang singularity.
Quite frankly I have no interest in it I do this just to get the information out and for people to do their own research if they actually want to know.
I believe in the Creator - if there was such a thing as the Big Bang - God said let there be light - and when one looks at all diagrams of what the big bang singularity looks like - they all start with a point of light. Someone on another forum continue to argue with me there was no light. Yet article said it was a burst of light, microwave radiation light, not visible to the human eye (but light still the same) and when diagrams are drawn and they all reflect the same, that means they've gotten it from a reliable source of information.
As far as time is concerned I do not believe time existed before God created it. And it's use and creation is for the benefit of man and scripture is quite clear that days (which is a calculation of time) will end. God does not exist in time and neither will the redeemed.
Snow33 · 36-40, F
Every day. The funny thing about the truth of it all. Even if you were told. It wouldn’t really sink in. You wouldn’t fullly be able to comprehend it. We can be told the truth about something and yet some part of us would try to rationalize, humanize, Fantasize about what it means. Or how we wish to see it.
You want the truth about this reality. Keep digging and eventually you will find, look inside not out.
You want the truth about this reality. Keep digging and eventually you will find, look inside not out.
Renkon · 36-40, M
@Snow33
When you have time, you can share your experience. I'd love to go through them. Thank you in advance.
Don’t believe anything anyone says unless it feels right to you.
That's one of the core nature of my pursuit. I don't want to belief unless it is in my experience. I try to stay open to any thoughts and listen without prejudice. When you have time, you can share your experience. I'd love to go through them. Thank you in advance.
originnone · 61-69, M
Yeah....I also wonder why we are so focussed on protecting the environment...No other creature on earth has....they do what they need to and die out....Humans will too and something else will live on. We're trying to make the earth what WE want it to be. Planet earth has been around for 5 billion years and will be just fine without us.
Renkon · 36-40, M
@originnone I like the last sentence. Earth will be fine without us. maybe even better.
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Renkon · 36-40, M
@WhisperinAngelic101 That is as simple as an answer can be. That's Good.
BibleData · M
You mean all of creation? Earth and it's inhabitants aren't the only part of creation according to the Bible. First Michael was created, then the spirit heavens, then the physical heavens, then the earth and it's inhabitants.
So, if none of that were created there would be nothing but Jehovah. No time, no gods, no people etc.
So, if none of that were created there would be nothing but Jehovah. No time, no gods, no people etc.
hunkalove · 61-69, M
I'm not religious but there is an intelligence in the universe. Even seeds know when to sprout.
TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 41-45, MVIP
What is life?
Single celled amoeba is life…
Single celled amoeba is life…
DocSavage · M
Who would know the difference ?
DDonde · 31-35, M
If it didn’t happen I guess we wouldn’t have much to talk about.