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I have to fire someone who has been around for 15 years

I tried so fucking hard to work with them for months. They just wouldn’t take any ownership or do anything to help themselves.
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@BlueVeins AKA the lawsuit cake
DrWatson · 70-79, M
That is difficult.

I can share an experience at the college where I teach which may or may not be relevant to your situation.

There was a new faculty member who was not meeting expectations. She rejected offers of help and opportunities to be mentored.

I was on the Rank and Tenure committee at the time, and we had long painful conversations about this. We finally had to decide to give a negative review and recommend termination.

As it turned out, she had already figured out that she was not a good fit for us and was looking for a different position. So, she had interpreted all the offers for help as "bullying", as she had assumed she would not be back next year anyway, so "why are people hounding me?"
@DrWatson She has admitted to me verbally she isn’t a good fit and doesn’t enjoy the work and her passion is elsewhere. It’s super frustrating because I spent six months getting any mental health support she might need and getting her assessed as clear and fit to work. The issue is really that she’s become too comfortable and has no motivation. It’s been like trying to get a sullen teenager out of bed to do their chores.
DrWatson · 70-79, M
@Notladylike It sounds as if you have done all that you could do, and that you did more than many other managers would have done.
Convivial · 26-30, F
Not easy to do... But if they're had the counselling and warnings ...
Umile · 41-45, F
I'd give them a heads up first.

Maybe they will redeem themselves if they know about the consequences.
Umile · 41-45, F
@NativePortlander1970 uh huh. I can't see it though.
@Umile Country code restriction? :(
@Umile Yeah she knows it’s coming.
smiler2012 · 61-69
@Notladylike 🤔do not feel any guilt or remorse over what you did by what you say you have gone out of your way for this person .you have given them chance after change there is point where you can do no more ands you took the right step
Well, you tried to make it work. Most of the time, before someone gets fired, they were given a chance to improve. Sometimes it's just not a good fit.
plungesponge · 41-45, M
It happens. 15 years is a very long time nowadays. All you can do is give them a heads up that the exit is coming and to prepare
Ontheroad · M
Firing people, even when they deserve it, is never a pleasant task. The one saving grace is that they bring it on themselves, or mostly they do.
@Ontheroad Yeah it’s frustrating when there could have been a way out but for whatever reason they just couldn’t do it.
Some people have just been there too long and they can become too cynical, too inflexible and too comfortable. It happens unfortunately.
Timeforsun · 51-55, F
Ugh... I've never had to fire anyone, but I have been asked to give a statement about someone at work. No matter how hard I tried to sugarcoat things, I would not lie either. I went home that day and felt like I had sealed the fate of my coworker, but I was asked very specific questions that were unavoidable. The next day she was fired and although I didn't actually do it, I felt as though I had fired her.
HumanEarth · F
I hate having to fire or to lay someone off. It's even harder when I know them on personal level
@HumanEarth I had zero issues terminating employments when they were warranted.
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Donotfolowme · 51-55, F
Do you have the authority to fire someone who has been around for 15 years who just wouldn’t take any ownership or do anything to help themselves?
@Notladylike The one thing I hated most about management were the required steps before terminating an employees job, first the verbal warning, then written, then suspension, finally termination, all to avoid lawsuits.
@Donotfolowme It's not that simple terminating someone's employment, steps have to be taken.
@NativePortlander1970 Yeah if someone makes a fair work claim most of the time where I work just pays a settlement rather then go to court. So it’s lots of paperwork in fact it’s still going on now. I presented the evidence and she fought every point so she gets extra time to address things but the core issues remain it’s a case of incorrect organisational fit and she just doesn’t enjoy the work and finds it too stressful so she avoids it 🙄.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
You tried and they didn’t do anything to help themselves so you did all you could.
You do what you have to.

 
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